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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 06:37 AM
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I searched but couldn't find anyone's resolve for this. Unfortunately I only get to drive the s2000 about once a week. Should I be worried about dry starts? I still have the break-in oil now but at the first oil change I would like to make the right choice. Any suggestions?
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 06:41 AM
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Start it daily. Just because you only drive it on the weekends shouldn't exclude you from starting it once a day.
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DeeDubya,Aug 13 2007, 06:37 AM
I searched but couldn't find anyone's resolve for this. Unfortunately I only get to drive the s2000 about once a week. Should I be worried about dry starts? I still have the break-in oil now but at the first oil change I would like to make the right choice. Any suggestions?
Dont worry about it, all the internal engine parts still have a oil coating. And 10w-30 oil will build pressure quickly when started up. Just let it warm up a little and drive it
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 06:54 AM
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[QUOTE=ChefJ,Aug 13 2007, 09:41 AM]Start it daily.
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 08:51 AM
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^ I personally hate when people regurgitate information some of which has no bearing on the affair at hand i.e. transmission warming when he will not be moving the vehicle anyway.
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ChefJ,Aug 13 2007, 11:51 AM
^ I personally hate when people regurgitate information some of which has no bearing on the affair at hand i.e. transmission warming when he will not be moving the vehicle anyway.
When idling with the clutch out, the shafts in the transmission are still spinning because the clutch is still mated to the flywheel, even with the transmission in neutral. The transmission has an oil pump that works when the car is moving and in gear. I brought up the transmission as a classic example of why it was a dumb idea to just randomly start the car everyday and not drive it. Starting the car and allowing it to idle essentially creates a "dry" condition in the transmission because lubrication is not being pumped inside the transmission housing even though various parts are whirring away, lubricated only by the thin barrier of film left over from the last time that the car was driven. Check your facts before you hate on good information.

If the rest of my information seems obvious and/or regurgitated to you then don't sweat it, you weren't the one posting the question. The OP specifically states that he could find no information on this topic even after he searched. That's why I re-stated some facts that to some people might already be obvious.
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 09:15 AM
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I suppose there is always more than one answer to a question. However, I prefer not to have to start the car every day.
I just know that from past experience I seem to have far fewer problems with my daily drivers than with those that sit idle for days at a time. I can't say that I have ever had an engine fail because of lack of use, but then I rarely keep a vehicle for more than 3 or 4 years. I plan to keep the S2000 for a while though, especially if they drop production or drastically change it up. That's why I would like to keep this jewel of a little engine in top condition.
Thanks guys. Everyone has their opinion.
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 09:17 AM
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some people say that cold starts are the hardest thing an engine is subject to

so minimizing cold starts is a good thing

I'm no mechanic though
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 90crvtec,Aug 13 2007, 09:09 AM
When idling with the clutch out, the shafts in the transmission are still spinning because the clutch is still mated to the flywheel, even with the transmission in neutral. The transmission has an oil pump that works when the car is moving and in gear. I brought up the transmission as a classic example of why it was a dumb idea to just randomly start the car everyday and not drive it. Starting the car and allowing it to idle essentially creates a "dry" condition in the transmission because lubrication is not being pumped inside the transmission housing even though various parts are whirring away, lubricated only by the thin barrier of film left over from the last time that the car was driven. Check your facts before you hate on good information.

If the rest of my information seems obvious and/or regurgitated to you then don't sweat it, you weren't the one posting the question. The OP specifically states that he could find no information on this topic even after he searched. That's why I re-stated some facts that to some people might already be obvious.
The transmission pump also works while in neutral, look into it.
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Old Aug 13, 2007 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ChefJ,Aug 13 2007, 12:41 PM
The transmission pump also works while in neutral, look into it.
"SEPARATE LUBRICATION PUMP ENHANCES DURABILITY

Racing experience taught Honda engineers that high-performance transmissions need a separate lubrication system, so the S2000 manual transmission has its own lubrication pump, driven off the transmission secondary gear. The pump provides positive and reliable lubrication, regardless of G-loading, and helps to prolong gear and synchronizer life."

I found this information here: http://www.hondas2000.net/item_details.php?ID=15

Do you mind explaining how that pump operates with the engine idling in neutral? I'll gladly retract my previous statements about lack of transmission lubrication during idling if you can show me how that pump can possibly work when the car is not moving. This was the basis of why I think that starting the car daily, without driving it, would be a bad idea. It affects more than just the engine and even at that, it's not good for the engine.
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