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Old Jan 10, 2002 | 07:27 AM
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I put the Fiamm double airhorns in last year sometime and I noticed that they started to just kind of die over time. The horn would get less and less powerful until nada, they stopped altogether! So me and a friend (Luder94) checked it one day and disconnected the hoses and the compressor WORKED! It blew plenty of air, but the horns wouldn't make a sound at all! So I decided to just buy another set of Fiamm's, this time I got the triple horn set. Installed them using the same compressor and they were loud as balls when I first put them in, but now they are starting to do the same thing as the other ones did!

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Old Jan 10, 2002 | 07:37 AM
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Interesting. I'm running double Fiamms and have had no problems. I have the alarm set to not honk them when I set the alarm, so they don't get "blown" very often. Do you use them often...like maybe for rounding up geese?
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Old Jan 10, 2002 | 07:46 AM
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Wes, well, I have been known to try and frighten animals along the roadside with the horns, but not that often. Geese are particularly fun as they all do a little jump and a quick couple of flaps then settle back down...all in unison!

But no, not used that often and I have even driven the car in almost two months! Today was the first day...I still can't believe it's the middle of January and I drove with the top down!

I can't explain it...they worked fine right after I put them, I used the new hoses and everything. They just sort of lose steam over time. Very weird. But they blasted like the dickens when I first put them in...

Help! Living in the horniest city in the country, Fiamms are a requirement!

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Old Jan 10, 2002 | 08:17 AM
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Greg,

I wonder what's going on. How did you wire the originals? Are they wired per instructions or did you just overtake the oem horn wiring?

On the S2K, I just overtook the stock wiring and only had problems with blowing out many, many, many, many fuses. If I remember correctly, the stock fuse is a 5 amp-er. Then I moved up to a 10, then a 15, and now I am on a 20 amper and haven't had any issues.

I blow the horn ALL the time...I especially love it when I set off car alarms in the parking garage. I also love seeing birds $h!t when I blow the horn.

Although I don't think you are having a fuse problem like I did, I think you may be having a prblem with the wiring. We should take a look at it at lunch today.
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Old Jan 10, 2002 | 08:55 AM
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Greg,

I've been running triples for quite some time now, and haven't had a problem with them yet. In the winter months, the compressor is ever so slightly slower to come up to pressure...when I hit the remote twice for the audible horn signal, the horns "just" start to toot...it disappears as I press the button several times for several toots.

How do you have the horns placed? If the compressor is still pumping out air at a good pressure, maybe your horns or their reeds are getting clogged with road debris. Try putting some water down the horn, swirling it around, and letting it dry for a day. Let me know if that solves the problem...
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Old Jan 10, 2002 | 09:25 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Luder94
[B]If I remember correctly, the stock fuse is a 5 amp-er.
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Old Jan 10, 2002 | 09:31 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by marcucci
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BAD IDEA. I'll check my wiring (looking at doing double-horns) but I suspect that the wiring probably isn't sized for 20A! My Staebel knock-offs pull I believe 11A when blasting. 15+A might cause your insulation to melt if you hold it for any length of time.
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Old Jan 10, 2002 | 09:34 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by marcucci
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BAD IDEA. I'll check my wiring (looking at doing double-horns) but I suspect that the wiring probably isn't sized for 20A! My Staebel knock-offs pull I believe 11A when blasting. 15+A might cause your insulation to melt if you hold it for any length of time.
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Old Jan 10, 2002 | 10:14 AM
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You know, now that we talk more about it... a friend of mine had the dual Fiamms and had them burn. I used my Staebels for a couple of years, no problems, and will move them to the S2 soon...

I agree with Chris- basically a parallel circuit. The easiest wiring would be to mount a new relay near the fuse box (under hood), tap power from their (or the battery), then use the factory circuit to activate a new relay. You could find and rewire the stock circuit with larger wire, but would probably have to do a LOT of work and make the dealer VERY suspicious if you are ever in for warranty work.

I'd go for new wiring, which I'll probably resort to as well. If I recall, the Prelude had 18AWG wire in place, but had two parallel circuits for the two horns. I tied them together for the new ones.
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Old Jan 10, 2002 | 10:29 AM
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All new wiring was run, it's not using the stock horn wiring. What I don't understand is why they started off OK, then they just started to die a slow death...

I don't think it's electrical. At first, though, I thought it was the compressor failing, so I disconnected one of the tubes and found that it would spin up and blow air. But putting the hose back on the trumpet and I get squat! Then putting JUST the new trumpets on, the horns (therefore the compressor) was working.

The only thing that I'm thinking is that there is debris clogging them somehow...but I don't know. I'll look at the old trumpets when I get home tonight...

Any more ideas?!
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