The Great Swaybar Thread!
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From: 13851 A Better Way #11D, Garden Grove, CA 92843
Originally Posted by suterusu,Jan 12 2006, 07:53 PM
SWIFT:
F: 87% stiffer
R: 116% stiffer
*compared to Early AP1 ('00-'01)
F: 87% stiffer
R: 116% stiffer
*compared to Early AP1 ('00-'01)
Fronts are 26mm
Rears are 26.5mm
Solid construction, not hollow.
Saner:
Useful information:
Received this message from John at Saner in an email yesterday:
The 2000-2001 OEM (stiffest OEM bar made) front swaybar is rated @ 295.5 LB PER IN.
SANER SOFT SETTING - 566.0 LB PER IN.
SANER CTR SETTING - 644.0 LB PER IN.
SANER STIFF SETTING - 739.3 LB. PER IN.
Comptech:
According to the specifications provided with the Comptech co-axial adjustable front sway bar, here are the ranges of stiffness in the 5 bolt positions. In discussions with a representative from Comptech, they claimed that these rates were relative to the "00, '01 OEM bar.
Original Comptech Adjustable Sway Bar - +27%, +44%, +67%, +97%, +124%
corrected values
New Design Comptech Adjustable Sway Bar - +62%, +82%, +102%, +136%, +178%
Small fortune racing:
Stock Sway Bar is approximately 300# per inch at the link.
The .188" wall Hollow Bar has a max of 625# /in and a minimum of 345 #/in. Each step is 46 #.
The .25" wall Hollow Bar has a max of 832# /in and a minimum of 460 #/in. Each step is 62 #.
The Solid Bar is a Max of 954#/in and a minimum of 531#/in. Each step is 70#.
Remember these are all at the link, not the wheel.
Useful information:
Received this message from John at Saner in an email yesterday:
The 2000-2001 OEM (stiffest OEM bar made) front swaybar is rated @ 295.5 LB PER IN.
SANER SOFT SETTING - 566.0 LB PER IN.
SANER CTR SETTING - 644.0 LB PER IN.
SANER STIFF SETTING - 739.3 LB. PER IN.
Comptech:
According to the specifications provided with the Comptech co-axial adjustable front sway bar, here are the ranges of stiffness in the 5 bolt positions. In discussions with a representative from Comptech, they claimed that these rates were relative to the "00, '01 OEM bar.
Original Comptech Adjustable Sway Bar - +27%, +44%, +67%, +97%, +124%
corrected values
New Design Comptech Adjustable Sway Bar - +62%, +82%, +102%, +136%, +178%
Small fortune racing:
Stock Sway Bar is approximately 300# per inch at the link.
The .188" wall Hollow Bar has a max of 625# /in and a minimum of 345 #/in. Each step is 46 #.
The .25" wall Hollow Bar has a max of 832# /in and a minimum of 460 #/in. Each step is 62 #.
The Solid Bar is a Max of 954#/in and a minimum of 531#/in. Each step is 70#.
Remember these are all at the link, not the wheel.
Originally Posted by Nyther,Apr 16 2010, 02:49 PM
So you are saying that the saner varies from 191%- 250% stiffer than oem??
thats ALOT
thats ALOT
One final take on the OEM swaybar sizes.
These are U.S. market parts; Canadian cars might be different? (And it's almost certain that European and Japanese cars are different.)
The "stiffness" rating is relative to the original MY00-01 bars. Note that the swaybars typically contribute 25-35% of the total roll stiffness; the coil springs provide the rest.
It's interesting that the dimensions of the front bar appear to have been unchanged from '02 thru '07, but there have been three part numbers (-013, -023, and -033) during that period. While this could indicate changes to the material specification (which might affect stiffness), part # changes are more often due to change in suppliers, or even just internal bookkeeping. I think it's safe to assume that the actual roll stiffness of the three parts is essentially identical.
Lastly, the CR front bar has the same effective rate as the MY00-01, but does it by using a larger diameter and thinner walls. This actually saves a small amount of weight (the donut-shaped cross-sectional area is ~6.5% smaller).
These are U.S. market parts; Canadian cars might be different? (And it's almost certain that European and Japanese cars are different.) Code:
Year (U.S.) Front Part # diam thick stiffness Rear Part # diam thick stiffness '00-'01 51300-S2A-003 28.2 5.0 100% 52300-S2A-013 27.2 5.3 100% '02-'03 51300-S2A-013 26.5 4.5 76% 52300-S2A-J01 27.2 4.5 93% '04-'07a 51300-S2A-023 26.5 4.5 76% 52300-S2A-J02 25.4 4.5 73% '04-'07b 51300-S2A-033 26.5 4.5 76% 52300-S2A-J02 25.4 4.5 73% '08-'09 51300-S2A-S01 27.2 5.3 90% 52300-S2A-J02 25.4 4.5 73% '08-'09 CR 51300-S2A-S11 28.6 4.5 100% 52300-S2A-S01 26.5 4.5 85%
It's interesting that the dimensions of the front bar appear to have been unchanged from '02 thru '07, but there have been three part numbers (-013, -023, and -033) during that period. While this could indicate changes to the material specification (which might affect stiffness), part # changes are more often due to change in suppliers, or even just internal bookkeeping. I think it's safe to assume that the actual roll stiffness of the three parts is essentially identical.
Lastly, the CR front bar has the same effective rate as the MY00-01, but does it by using a larger diameter and thinner walls. This actually saves a small amount of weight (the donut-shaped cross-sectional area is ~6.5% smaller).







