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Old May 23, 2003 | 05:01 PM
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Funny how I have that book under my seat of my car and never read it.
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Old May 23, 2003 | 05:34 PM
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yeah but Corky Bell is about as flaky as they come!
I know
He is very flakey, sometimes I wonder how he had the capacity to write the book.....lol (maybe he had other people write it from him)....hell I am a bit flakey myself at times....maybe its a sign of genious.....lol
Regardless its one of the better books out there regarding F/I
I'm interested in a stage 3 with AEM!! When will that be available?
Not sure depending on how many people want it
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Old May 23, 2003 | 06:45 PM
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I am looking for a track version then. I want air/water/air with AEM, if that means I have to save 6K to get it then so be it.

What about using redline water wetter for an cooling additive?

The sys would be composed of resivior, heat exchange the water then to the radiator heat echanger, to the intercooler, then back through a heat exchanger (cooled by a flexilite fan that is thermo controlled) then back to the water resevior, and then restart the process. A high capacity efficient (2) electronic pumps that can pump the water through the system at a rate that keeps fresh cool water in the system could handle the job. couldn't it?

I have seen this used on a turbo MR2. The write up showed a 20 degree temps that were constantly below air to air factory intercooled temps.

How large does the resevior tank need to be? 1 gallon capacity or more?

I am sorry but here in TX charging the air-air FMIC with 120 degree temps from asphalt freeways in 5 pm traffic would cause more detonation, wouldn't it? I just doesn't work out here.

The first mod I did was thermo switch and stat swap. That alone made a difference.
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Old May 23, 2003 | 06:47 PM
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I forgot about the hondata gasket, that has made a huge difference with heat soak. Especially after hard 120 second auto-x runs that we do in high heat and humidity.
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Old May 23, 2003 | 06:52 PM
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You definetly would have more issues with a water/air setup in that heat. We do not live in a perfect world where all variables are controlled, thus the explanation why most turbo setups incorporate air/air. If you are concerned with 1/10 of a second times at the strip and utilize ice water and have control over the conditions than yeah go ahead get the water/air. We ran a miata with a water/air setup in miami (its always hot there) and switched to air/air to monitor the charge intake temps and in almost every instance (in hot weather) the air/air provided superior cooling of charge air after the cooler. I will try to dig up some of the numbers for you
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Old May 23, 2003 | 11:53 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hybrid
[B]All those people with V-afc, fmu, and turbo kit......
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Old May 24, 2003 | 12:23 AM
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But I'm not kidding that fmu, missing link ( check valves), and vafc setup are no good. Yea, it's been working on Honda for years but technology has catched up. There is better alternative to manage fuel out there now. Don't be old fashion, step up to the new way of modern boosting. Plus prices are considerably cheaper, why still stick with bandaid of another bandaid. At least get a electronic check valve or something to ditch that missing link. Aren't you tired of check lights popping up once awhile?

Oh and KISS? Keep it simple is by using something like E-manage so that you eliminate VAFC, FMU, and Missing link at the same time. Now that's KISS!!!!
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Old May 24, 2003 | 07:11 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hybrid
[B]But I'm not kidding that fmu, missing link ( check valves), and vafc setup are no good.
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Old May 24, 2003 | 07:14 AM
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Back the whole pulse width issue, etc..

If one of the problems with the emanage relates to not being able to vary the pulse width on the larger injectors and "tricking" the ECU (hence the timing is WAY too advanced due to thinking its at partial throttle), why not simply go back to the stock injectors... Can they NOT deliver enough fuel for a 300 WHP kit?? Was this ever tested?
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Old May 24, 2003 | 07:57 AM
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"If one of the problems with the emanage relates to not being able to vary the pulse width on the larger injectors and "tricking" the ECU (hence the timing is WAY too advanced due to thinking its at partial throttle), why not simply go back to the stock injectors... Can they NOT deliver enough fuel for a 300 WHP kit?? Was this ever tested?"




The emanage cannot manipulate pulse width on stock injectors, just like the VAFC. This does not mean that it cannot be effective. For the fuel maps that our car is currently on the stock injectors wouuld be in the high 90% injector duty cycly and thats not good.
I would've agreed with you if the emanage actually worked the way it's supposed to and gave not problems whatsoever. From what I've been reading it doesn't seem that the emanage is mastered yet. I don't like to take risks, that's why i stick with what i know works . I have no doubts, that if the emanage was already mastered and there were no glitchtes, I would definitively switch over.
I understand, thats why we take the risks for you. Just like when the VAFC first came out people where apprehensive to it saying that it was to complicated ect. People just need to pioneer and resolve the issues. Basicall an emanage is like a VAFC but on some serious steroids
Its only a very short matter of time where the emanage issues will be resolved. We expect to release our stage 2 in 4 weeks ready for the public......fully tested
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