Group IV and V syn
Originally Posted by Starscreamer,Aug 7 2008, 05:14 AM
I was planning to continue to use mobil 1 10w30 ep, however the emals I get, never ever will say if they use group IV or V, I have point blank asked them 3 times in the last month, every time, they come back, with proprietary formula. Ive even mentioned case law where they can at least just tell the group its from and still nothing. I am assuming their lack of willingness to answer the question really does answer it, it must not be group iv or v, they may be pulling a castrol switch with group III. Pretty bummed, I really trusted mobil 1 brand, but now I guess theres only RP, Amsoil, and german castrol.
RP is all marketing, Amsoil is mainly marketing, use Redline for quality and ay german castrol you can find.
German Castrol isn't too tough to find since autozone started carrying it again. I've heard that it's a pretty thick 30wt though and wouldn't be well suited to the high revving engines in these cars. I still have a bunch of it in my garage I should give it a shot.
Originally Posted by Tom-Tom,Aug 7 2008, 07:51 AM
German Castrol isn't too tough to find since autozone started carrying it again. I've heard that it's a pretty thick 30wt though and wouldn't be well suited to the high revving engines in these cars. I still have a bunch of it in my garage I should give it a shot.
PAOs are pretty unpolar, most additives struggle to disolve fully into them, this is why most additives are in Group 2 or 3 diluents, some use esters too. Esters are never great for wear though as they have a habit of displacing ZDDP and other Antiwear chemistry at the surface (there is only so much metal surface and no all the additives interact with the surface.
PAO also have a habit of shrinking seals. They are certainly not the holy grail of base oils that a lot of people think.
Personally I dont see why everyone worries so much about the base oil in their engine oils. The additive technology is just as important, if not more. The main reason of PAOs in oils is that they allow longer drain intervals, the certainly don't offer an inherent wear or friction benefit, and they have a habit of cross-linking and polymerising once the Anti Oxidant is depleted due to the uniform structure.
As much as people make out PAOs are perfect, they still can suffer from unsaturated carbon atoms from poor manufacturing. Group IIIs perform just as well
PAO also have a habit of shrinking seals. They are certainly not the holy grail of base oils that a lot of people think.
Personally I dont see why everyone worries so much about the base oil in their engine oils. The additive technology is just as important, if not more. The main reason of PAOs in oils is that they allow longer drain intervals, the certainly don't offer an inherent wear or friction benefit, and they have a habit of cross-linking and polymerising once the Anti Oxidant is depleted due to the uniform structure.
As much as people make out PAOs are perfect, they still can suffer from unsaturated carbon atoms from poor manufacturing. Group IIIs perform just as well
Originally Posted by ggevo9,Aug 6 2008, 05:17 PM
From what i heard Royal purple oil breaks down very fast. Greddy also reccomend not to use Royal purple oil with there turbos.
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