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Old Apr 10, 2012 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by nissanfanatic
Originally Posted by dwight' timestamp='1334105198' post='21596120
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It seems like with every other dumb little automated thing in the car/safety that Honda would have engineered the start button to only work when the engine is not running under it's own power.

Maybe make it stop working at anything greater than 600rpm...
You can crank the starter while the car is running on every key start car from '99 or before I've seen. I don't see why they should expect S2000 drivers to be that much more stupid.
Owning a specific car, or home, or pair of shoes does not separate you from the statistics of being human.

A person's vehicle preference does not change his or her intelligence or aptitude. The percentage of less than average intelligence S2000 owners is probably about the same as the percentage of less than intelligent corvette owners, and probably not far from even Civic or Ford F150 owners.

A separate issue, but accidentally pushing the engine start button three times for the entire time a person owns the car (if you are capable of not crashing a car over the course of five-six years) does not classify him or her as stupid; It classifies him or her as a human that has made a few mistakes.
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So true.

The "START" button is really a poor way to start a car anyway, just a gimic. Why do we think we need two hands need to start the car????

At my work, when we bring a customers car up for delivery, you better shut it off, or they will get in and try to start it even if it is alrady running. Just the way we are.
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Old Apr 10, 2012 | 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by nissanfanatic
Originally Posted by dwight' timestamp='1334105198' post='21596120
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It seems like with every other dumb little automated thing in the car/safety that Honda would have engineered the start button to only work when the engine is not running under it's own power.

Maybe make it stop working at anything greater than 600rpm...
You can crank the starter while the car is running on every key start car from '99 or before I've seen. I don't see why they should expect S2000 drivers to be that much more stupid.
Owning a specific car, or home, or pair of shoes does not separate you from the statistics of being human.

A person's vehicle preference does not change his or her intelligence or aptitude. The percentage of less than average intelligence S2000 owners is probably about the same as the percentage of less than intelligent corvette owners, and probably not far from even Civic or Ford F150 owners.

A separate issue, but accidentally pushing the engine start button three times for the entire time a person owns the car (if you are capable of not crashing a car over the course of five-six years) does not classify him or her as stupid; It classifies him or her as a human that has made a few mistakes.
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I'm not sure what you're going at with your rant. I said S2000 owners aren't expected to be extra stupid. As a result, there isn't much reason to idiot proof the starter so you can't crank it while the engine is running. You can crank the starter on 'vette, Civic, F-150, etc.

As far as FSTFWRD's comment, I agree. It is a gimmick.
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Old Apr 10, 2012 | 06:50 PM
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But it's a COOL gimmick
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Old Apr 11, 2012 | 02:53 AM
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I've never pushed the start button once the was running .. yet.
I did wonder what would happen if I did so I'm glad this thread came up.

This is my first push button - start car and I must say I don't get the reasoning behind it.
It would be one thing if I could keep my keys in my pocket and press the start button but to place the key in the ignition, turn it and then press a button with my left hand... I don't see any real logic in that.
My car salesman told me I could start the car with just the key but I'll need to look further into that because I'm not so sure I can.
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Old Apr 11, 2012 | 03:59 AM
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just FYI...you can mash your starter button and it wont start unless your clutch is down too... its NEARLY failsafe.
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Old Apr 11, 2012 | 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by dwight
I said S2000 owners aren't expected to be extra stupid.
Your choice of words probably wasn't the best. It's not a stupid versus smart thing. The S's is a driving enthusiast's car. Yes, even enthusiasts sometimes hit the start button with the engine on. I've done it myself. But an S driver certainly isn't the same as your typical "appliance" car driver/zombie who I would expect to hit the starter with the engine running much more often.

Originally Posted by nissanfanatic
It seems like with every other dumb little automated thing in the car/safety that Honda would have engineered the start button to only work when the engine is not running under it's own power.
Odd comment considering that a typical criticism of the S is its lack of features and conveniences. It also seems to ignore the whole design approach and intent of the car. If it was a GT I could see that comment as being relevant but how many cars offer such a feature?
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Old Apr 11, 2012 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by takeshi
Originally Posted by dwight' timestamp='1334109637' post='21596313
I said S2000 owners aren't expected to be extra stupid.
Your choice of words probably wasn't the best. It's not a stupid versus smart thing. The S's is a driving enthusiast's car. Yes, even enthusiasts sometimes hit the start button with the engine on. I've done it myself. But an S driver certainly isn't the same as your typical "appliance" car driver/zombie who I would expect to hit the starter with the engine running much more often.

Originally Posted by nissanfanatic
It seems like with every other dumb little automated thing in the car/safety that Honda would have engineered the start button to only work when the engine is not running under it's own power.
Odd comment considering that a typical criticism of the S is its lack of features and conveniences. It also seems to ignore the whole design approach and intent of the car. If it was a GT I could see that comment as being relevant but how many cars offer such a feature?
Obviously my choice of words weren't the best. I don't think there can be a best. However, I stand by my choice of words even though I know that any time I post anything that someone might disagree with, I'll get flak for it. Before continuing to read this post please note that there isn't really anything in this post to suggest that I disagree with takeshi or that I am angry/offended/etc. I agree with what he wrote, but I believe that people maybe have misunderstood my original post and this is a (poor) attempt to explain what I meant.

I never made any statements regarding:
  • smart people not engaging the starter on their car while it is running.
  • my intelligence (or lack thereof).
  • the frequency at which I engage the starter while the engine in running.
  • the frequency where I make mistakes.
(Frankly, all three posts on mine in this thread are mistakes.)

My statement was:
You can crank the starter while the car is running on every key start car from '99 or before I've seen. I don't see why they should expect S2000 drivers to be that much more stupid.
The reason I mentioned stupidity at all is because of:
Originally Posted by s2k-tilldeath
Don't worry about it. I know a retarded girl that does that every time she turns on her car - leaves the key turned until that noise starts before she lets go. Her car still works and it's been over 2 years. lol
Does this girl truly have a mental disability? Regardless of a legitimate learning disability is calling her retarded appropriate? Is of the word retarded ever appropriate? Why didn't someone call this person out on their insensitivity? I'll imagine it's because they don't care about her because they aren't her. However my statement was more open-ended and they conjured up a perceived, but in fact non-existent, slight against them from it. In the process they'll add disagreeable content and context where it doesn't really exist. And to s2k-tilldeath, I have nothing wrong with what you wrote. I felt it was on topic and concise, which is far more than I can say about this post.

I could have written it as:
Being able to crank the starter on a running car is commonplace. I don't see why the S2000 should be:
  • idiot-proofed.
  • treated any differently.
  • included extra interlocks.
  • required additional safety features.
  • include additional points of failure.
This list goes on and on. I'm sure that someone could object to each and every choice. I picked the first one and someone with a chip on his shoulder will think I'm being elitist and his likely reasoning was because I have an eight-year-old Honda...

To explicitly answer the OP's questions.
No.
Not that bad.
Not me.
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Old Apr 26, 2012 | 07:18 AM
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Thanks for the input guys. Also, some of you might not have thought of this or considered this. The S2000 isn't the first push-start button car I drive. Most other...scratch that...All other push start cars I've been in use the same button to start and stop the car. Push to start, push to stop. In fact, its ingrained in our heads that is how buttons work. Computers, televisions, flashlights..etc. Push to power on, push to power off. Its a simple mistake that I don't think its about whether you are a good driver or not, its just different enough that since I drive mine a few times a year its easy to just push it by habit of other things.

Plus...its a big red button. It looks welcoming to just push it.
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Old Apr 26, 2012 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by acn684
Plus...its a big red button. It looks welcoming to just push it.
I guess you've never worked around automated machinery.
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Old Apr 26, 2012 | 10:50 AM
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My opinion: I believe the start button is there for a reason, not a gimmic...when at the track... with this purpose built track car you can drive on the street...and you spin or need to start and take off, you can put the car into gear at the same time use the other hand to push the start button...saves time.

Pushing the start button....It will not make the starter work unless you push in the clutch first....so it is a two step process to do it accidently.
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