[QUOTE]Originally posted by honda606

 

That would be alluded, not elluded.

First, LE also has a product performance warranty - they just have enough class not to wave it in everyone's face.

To compare LE to a snake oil company is a low blow - they have been in the business for 55 years, and are universally known, with a strong presence in international and domestic markets. I doubt Al was even flying when LE was founded. I am fine with debating in the arena of ideas, but associating LE with frauds amounts to an attack ad hominem, and while your comments, slipstream, were at least polite up to that point, you have fallen into the abyss of any number of Amsoilites on any number of Web Forums - Amsoil makes the best stuff, and that's it. True colors have been displayed.

 

Sir Road Rage,
If you read carefully in what I've written, there are specific products that think are the best available to the public. I have never, and currently do not claim that EVERY product Amsoil makes is the best. Another rash generalization.
Simply put, they put out an extremely strong line of oil products.
I don't agree with their marketing plan and I think their 'Amway-esque' approach to doing business has prevented them from growing as fast as they could have. Perhaps that's not so bad for the customer, perhaps it is ... I'm not here to debate marketing.

As for the misspelled words RR, go back and read any number of your posts and you'll find that you average about 2 spelling mistakes per post. Not in every post, but it's not uncommon.
BTW, you can do better than that. If you want to attack my intelligence, use something other than my spelling please.

RR I have trusted and listened too many of your suggestions and analysis and find them to be very enlightening. You provide a wealth of knowledge to the forum, but resort to pettiness when a discussion fails to stop with your buck, and then many times you either get angry, frustrated, or are simply unwilling to engage the individual in civil intellectual interplay.

While I agree the Amsoil dealer played dirty pool in his analysis, you could have noted his failure and then moved on and used the correct information he provided as an example of an open-minded moderator. You would have been the better man for it. Somehow you seemed to react defensively to his supposition and defaulted to bashing him and making a disproportionate claim (the clutch dump thing, etc.).

Anyway, you're better than that.

To the LE comparison I made: I agree, the comparison of LE to products like Slick 50 and Duralube was not appropriate. It was made only to demonstrate that I have no clue who this company is and where they've been for the past 55 years. They may have been around for 55 years, but I have never seen their product directly used, therefore I have no frame of reference for the product and will not think about using it until I see a lot of data supporting it.

In contrast, I have used several synthetics over the past 22 years and do know the good ones from the bad ones. Some of the bad ones have been around for a long time as well.
IMHO and experience, Amsoil synthetic gear lubes are the best on the market. I've used them in several different vehicles from boats to 4X4s, and a few sports cars in-between. Amsoil is the best I've used, and it took me a lot of time and research before I switched from my beloved Mobile 1 (at the time) to Amsoil. I found the Redline of the day provided little benefit over the M1 and was not willing to spend the extra $3-$5 per qt more (at the time) and Redline was hard to find back then.
Redline has always been one of the best oils I've ever used and I'm now using the MTL (as per your suggestion) and love it.
Therefore, you see ... I'm no "Amsoilite", I just like the best product for my car ... and until another manufacturer can back up their product (application specific ... no broad comparisons), I'll stick with my Amsoil ... and oh ya, my Redline.

Sorry again for the poor comparison ... I am open-minded and can admit when I'm wrong RR.

Cheers.

P.S. Pleaze forgive any spelling miztakes

 

The spelling nitpick was made because eluded suggests evasion. Everyone makes typos, this one just spoke to character. Get it?

You made a long reply, and in it was an acknowledgement of inappropriate comment, so that is being a stand-up guy.

Whether or not you have heard of LE is irrelevant - they have a tremendous reputation among professional drivers world-wide, and their products are primarily oriented towards OTR and industrial use. The consumer market is a growth area for them - their engineering is sound, and unlike Amsoil, they make some of their own additives (like the Almasol in LE-607) through a subsidiary company. They are not R&D lightweights - nor is Amsoil.

 

I didn't look as deeply at my spelling error until you brought out the larger error in meaning ... apologies again, because there was no suggestion of evasion meant.

Since I've never had the need for industrial or OTR applications, it explains why I've not seen their product before. I wish them the best in expanding into new markets - that's what the U.S.A. is all about.
I still need to study up on LE a while before I decide to change though.
I'm kind of like a monkey in that I have to have a firm grasp on a new branch before I release my old branch and move on.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by slipstream444
Measuring by mileage alone is foolish and has no relationship to the severity of the service.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by honda606

 

slipstream,

What engine oil are you using right now?

Would you use your same 2,000-4,000 intervals if you were using a full synthetic?

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by slipstream444
I didn't look as deeply at my spelling error until you brought out the larger error in meaning ... apologies again, because there was no suggestion of evasion meant.

 

I'm using Amsoil Euro formula 5W40 which is a brand new full synthetic they recently released earlier this year. Works great! During the winter I use Amsoil 5W30 full synthethic, again works like a charm. I don't burn any measurable oil during a 2000-4000 mile interval. It stays comfortably centered on the top X.

I recently had both of my cams pulled when I had my valves inspected and adjusted. I had an over-rev in the 10,100 RPM ball park (mis-shift out of frustration with my old transmission) and opted to have my valve spring retainers inspected to ensure I wouldn't drop a valve - if there was any dishing of the retainer. The machanic could not believe how clean it was under my valve cover (neither could I for that matter). I probably changed my oil maybe just a little too early because there was no visible wear. The cam lobes still had the machining marks and nothing had that 'polished' look. My retainers were also in perfect shape.

I get relatively good mileage as well. I average about 21-23 MPG in the city with moderate driving and about 27-30 MPG on the highway, depending on how fast I drive. The best mileage I've achieved was 31 MPG while driving to Amarillo ~76-80 MPH. The worst mileage I have seen was 15.6 MPG shortly after the 600 mile mark when my car began to see the upper RPM range. If I keep it just below the 90 MPH mark on the highway, I can average 27 MPG on the dot. Once again Redline MTL in the transmission and Amsoil Series 2000 75W90 in the diff.

On a side note, when the valve cover is pulled, you'll inevitably get some oil on the exhaust manifold. The Amsoil took a while to completely burn off, but left no trace when it was gone. I don't understand how an oil can burn off so cleanly. I figured it would of left some residue of some sort.