UOA of engine, diff, and trans
#11
I have never seen a 1605 UOA that looked like this. Judging from what you said earlier, it was either under-filled or even worse, overfilled. I suspect over-filled since you changed it during cold weather (how in the world did you pump it?), and then after driving it the fluids expanded (heated up quite a bit as usual) causing more problems. Overfilling causes abnormal pressures and aeration. Air bubbles don't lubricate well. Check the relief valve and seals for any evidence of leaking or plugging.
Some car/truck manuals actually tell you to fill to fill hole, then drive the car or truck to normal operating temp, then pull the fill plug again to let any overfill drain again.
Sorry, but that's all I can offer you to check as possible source of trouble.
Your other reports look fine though.
Thanks for posting these!
Some car/truck manuals actually tell you to fill to fill hole, then drive the car or truck to normal operating temp, then pull the fill plug again to let any overfill drain again.
Sorry, but that's all I can offer you to check as possible source of trouble.
Your other reports look fine though.
Thanks for posting these!
One reason why I ask is because I used a funnel and tube to fill my diff this winter, I dumped one bottle into the funnel and then allowed fluid to drain out of the fill hole. It was much easier than sitting there pumping molasses (even with heating up of the bottle before hand). Given what you just posted I might just open up my fill bolt and see if added fluid comes out, but I may do that in warmer temps. Good to see your opinion on this matter.
#12
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I don't know how much you can fit in the diff. But I suspect you could put a whole quart in there if it's parked on a hill. Add that to fluid expansion and you could have a whole bunch of air bubbles.
If you want to guestimate how much to put in there, fine. But when you get the car to level ground, just pull the fill plug and let it drain until it stops.
If you want to guestimate how much to put in there, fine. But when you get the car to level ground, just pull the fill plug and let it drain until it stops.
#14
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That was one of the concerns i had and made sure to ask,...they say at the lab that they do not see much of a difference in readings at all given cold/warm. It was still taken from the mid stream of the drain process.
The differential was cold when I drained it, normally I do it after a drive but I had did all the fluids that day and said "F it, I'll just let it drain for an hour....and it did)
The car was as level as it could be as it was done in my garage where it always has been with the same 4 jack stands I always use, it is possible the stands were a notch off but I doubt that would cause anything.
With the amount of fluid left, and by what was draining out of the differential while trying to get the fill plug in and what was left in hand pump hose I would suspect I did NOT get 4 fluid oz or so(just a guess by looking at what was left)
I always have about that same amount left with all the changes, but like I said I always struggle with getting the full plug in but it was still draining when I got it in
And the magnet, I always check it and wipe it clean. There was a slight grey film, no chunks. It looked like what I consider usual
The differential was cold when I drained it, normally I do it after a drive but I had did all the fluids that day and said "F it, I'll just let it drain for an hour....and it did)
The car was as level as it could be as it was done in my garage where it always has been with the same 4 jack stands I always use, it is possible the stands were a notch off but I doubt that would cause anything.
With the amount of fluid left, and by what was draining out of the differential while trying to get the fill plug in and what was left in hand pump hose I would suspect I did NOT get 4 fluid oz or so(just a guess by looking at what was left)
I always have about that same amount left with all the changes, but like I said I always struggle with getting the full plug in but it was still draining when I got it in
And the magnet, I always check it and wipe it clean. There was a slight grey film, no chunks. It looked like what I consider usual
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As far as I remember you get an oil level that is halfway up the pinion when you fill-till-overflow.
IOW the pinion-ring contact is not fully submerged and not dry.
It's not that the ring gear has to draw the oil up.
Overfilling in that scenario will turn the pinion-ring contact into a giant oil throther - like in the gearbox.
(the gearbox has a pump to pick the oil up too)
IMO a slight overfill does not harm the S2k diff.
There is an oil passage from the main pinion bearing to the rear at the bottom of the casting AND at the top.
I think some of the oil that is picked-up by the ring is thrown through that top hole to refresh the oil for the main pinion bearing and it levels throught the lower passage.
That way there is some kind of oil flow through the diff.
IOW the pinion-ring contact is not fully submerged and not dry.
It's not that the ring gear has to draw the oil up.
Overfilling in that scenario will turn the pinion-ring contact into a giant oil throther - like in the gearbox.
(the gearbox has a pump to pick the oil up too)
IMO a slight overfill does not harm the S2k diff.
There is an oil passage from the main pinion bearing to the rear at the bottom of the casting AND at the top.
I think some of the oil that is picked-up by the ring is thrown through that top hole to refresh the oil for the main pinion bearing and it levels throught the lower passage.
That way there is some kind of oil flow through the diff.
#16
Since you had a usual amount of paste on the drain bolt magnet that is a good sign. That is where all of the bad stuff collects. If you had significant wear you would see it on the magnet.
I think you will be fine, refill with the fluid of your choice and don't sweat it.
I think you will be fine, refill with the fluid of your choice and don't sweat it.
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More of just an options for me/prices type of contact.