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Old 01-27-2016, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by thomsbrain
I'm no engine specialist so don't take this as advice, but it would be interesting to see how well the car could run with just a replaced rocker arm and valves, while leaving the head and piston as-is.
Just as an experiment on how crazy you can mess up a motor? Or do you actually expect it might run okay?

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Old 01-27-2016, 02:19 PM
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Well something Was out of spec..
Old 01-27-2016, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by postman
Based on his description I'd chalk it up to a faulty rocker arm. Sometimes shit happens. Constant high rpms rarely cause an issue on these engines, and the pcm would have prevented an over rev at that time.
Don't think so. If rocker arm broke in half, left the rocker arm shaft, & rest of valve train was ok --- the valve would remain closed. No damage to piston.

The failure may have been an accumulation of over-revs or retainer/keeper failure over time. The simple 3rd to 4th shift was the straw that broke the camel's back.
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Pretty much the same thing happened to my old motor. It gave out near the top of 3rd, about 8k rpm. Broke both rockers on the intake side of cyl 2 and 1 valve on the exhaust side of cyl 2. Both valves are sunk in the retainers on intake side. I never got around to pulling the head off.

The motor did have ap2 retainers on the intake side. Had a used oil analysis done after a track day and it had a lot of lead(a little over a month before it blew up). Not sure if that had anything to do with the failure but i knew something was wrong. I was planning to get a daily beater and pull the motor apart to see if i could rebuild it but it didnt last.
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Originally Posted by windhund116
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Based on his description I'd chalk it up to a faulty rocker arm. Sometimes shit happens. Constant high rpms rarely cause an issue on these engines, and the pcm would have prevented an over rev at that time.
Don't think so. If rocker arm broke in half, left the rocker arm shaft, & rest of valve train was ok --- the valve would remain closed. No damage to piston.

The failure may have been an accumulation of over-revs or retainer/keeper failure over time. The simple 3rd to 4th shift was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Or when the rocker broke it wedged itself on top of retainer and caused the valve to hit piston. Ultimately no one will ever no the real reason.
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i suspect u had a tight valve, and i think that is why only 1 rocker arm broke
This is my theory:
Valve got pushed too far and hit the piston, then the piston bent the valve but it actually broke the valve into half, and then the rest of the valve rocket launched into the tappet and it forced the rocker arm pull backward and got stretched out as the cam lobe was turning.

and ofc the valve knocked the spark plug and melt it..


can u take a clean pic of ur valve tappet?
is it beat up bad? valve looks smashed. but pics are too blurry to tell.
take a close up pic of retainer top and bot.

4th to 3rd is no good especially when u r in redline
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o 3rd to 4th? then its not even over rev lol...i mis read.
ecu will cut ur fuel supply
so i think ur valve was really tight
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Originally Posted by RickyLee
o 3rd to 4th? then its not even over rev lol...i mis read.
ecu will cut ur fuel supply
so i think ur valve was really tight
Hey Ricky, as much as I would agree. I have to disagree.
I check the valve lash less than 2k Miles ago. I only needed to adjust 1 valve all was still in spec.
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Originally Posted by windhund116
Looks like over-rev or continuous near-redline RPMs played a role here, too. In terms of the amount of damage done. Keeper may have fallen out, if the retainer cracked beyond a certain the point?
You're the second person to say this. I think this may be the cause. I was driving the car exceptionally hard this event. I was determined not to let anything under 500 hp pass me.
I guess I got the loss on this one.

As for oil I use ams oil dominator and change before and after each track event and every 1k miles.
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Originally Posted by postman
Based on his description I'd chalk it up to a faulty rocker arm. Sometimes shit happens. Constant high rpms rarely cause an issue on these engines, and the pcm would have prevented an over rev at that time.
As far as PCM I am on aem infinity. Redline was lowered to 8900 and every failsafe possible.
I care a lot for reliability.

I have my data log for the infinity and sent it to my tuner.


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