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Old Apr 10, 2007 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by slipstream444,Apr 10 2007, 08:45 AM

Great - RP is great to take long walks with, have candle light dinners, and whisper sweet nothings to...

I only use an oil that has a proven track record - and Royal Purple doesn't have one. I haven't seen any scientifically backed data showing the performance characteristics of the product. Scientific - as in industry standardized performance tests - done by independent labs. There are claims that RP "micropolishes" bearing surfaces. Polish=abrasive, no matter how "micro" the polish is. Ya, that's exactly what I want in my engine.

RP is marketing, not substance.
This is the sentiment expressed by Road Rage - and oil is his business.
I choose substance over marketing (or pretty colors).
slick 50 and RP are hardly the same. for the last 10k miles my car DOES run better and run smoother than it ever did on moble 1. i think im am going to try reline for my next oil change though, but not because i am at displeased with RP.

and as far as RP "raced backed support" maybe you missed this:

Royal Purple has been involved with teams in the following championships since its introduction to the UK.
British F3 Championship (8 out of 10 teams now use Royal Purple)
British GT Championship
British Superbike Championship
FIA World Sportscar Championship
Ferrari Marinello Championship
World Powerboat Championship
British Rally Championship. Go to Royal Purple

LeMans
With the strongest of film strengths and durability of Royal Purple oils, this year they stood the challenge and supplied race teams for the French LeMans 24 hr endurance. Testament to the quality of the oil. Performance car oils

Transmission builders
Royal Purple has become a vital component for some of the UK's leading engine & transmission builders.
Royal Purple Max gear also comes recommended by Hewland Transmissions and Glebe Transmissions, and is currently being fitted to the American road going Mosler supercars (just like the one that dominated the British GT Championships last year), which are now being produced in the UK. Max Gear

Embassey Racing
Royal Purple fully synthetic racing oils are widely used in the British Formula 3 championship, and are now being used by teams like Embassy Racing in the British GT Championship.
Racing oils

Damax
Royal Purple is also fully endorsed & recommended by former Ferrari Marinello champions Damax Racing, who use it in all their race & road going cars. Royal Purple oils

Ford
Ford Motor Company was experiencing problems with their Ford Puma rally engines, which was being caused by poor lubricant life. They changed to Royal Purple, and instead of changing the oil frequently through the rally, they were able to run for several rallies on the same sump full of Royal Purple oil. Transmission oils

Teams
Last year 2004 Royal Purple was in a winning car from all categories of Formula 3.
Out of 7 A class teams Royal Purple are currently involved with 5.
Out of 11 B class team's royal Purple are currently involved with 6 & will be involved with the complete grid within the next month.
Royal Purple are also involved with 4 GT teams
Embassey Racing
Damax Racing
2 privately entered BMW's
Royal Purple is also involved with 75% of the Brit Car grid, which includes the BMW M3 powered Mini of Beechdean Dairies.
Other large Motorsports Giants that have bought and used Royal Purple inc
Jaguar Racing
Jordan Injector cleaners

like i said, oil is almost like religion, everyone believes something different is best, and sometimes its best to leave it alone.
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Old Apr 10, 2007 | 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by slipstream444,Apr 10 2007, 07:51 AM
"T h e y" - who is/are "they"?
What were the specifics of the test? Was it in-house or an independent lab that performed the test? What synthetic did "they" use?

7 horsepower difference on a dyno - that's what you might expect in variance from one run to another, especially if you only do two runs. Temperature, density altitude, equipment slop - you name it, there's always going to be variables that will change performance.
Where's the baseline and control? Where's the scientific data?

I'm more than glad to sell you a "Tornado" for your S2000 - you know "they" claim that it will give you a 20% increase in performance - "dyno proven power"!

I have a "Tornado", a bridge, A N D some swampland to sell you too.
on TV, speed channel. I can't recall exactly which show it was, but i'm thinking big block.

Supposedly it was back to back and they might have used RP, I only caught the end.
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Old Apr 10, 2007 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by blackout,Apr 10 2007, 10:05 AM
Nothing wrong with the good old stand by Mobil 1. I have been using it since i have been driving. Given thats only 4 years, but it has yet to let me down
I know folks that have used standard Pensoil, Citgo, Quaker State, Texaco and any other number of oils off the shelf for endless miles and never had a problem. That's not the point here. The point is to choose the highest quality synthetic.
Mobil 1 is not the best synthetic - not by a long shot. And neither is Royal Purple.

The ONLY advantage standard Mobil 1 has over conventional oil is it stays fluid at cold temperatures, where conventional oils turn to gel. That's pretty much it.
So why would you spend the extra money on it? Because they tell you it's worth it - and you're not willing to research the facts that will ultimately tell you that you've wasted your money for all those years (kind of hurts the ego).
Here you go - it's not worth the extra money you've spent. I'm being honest. Do a little research and spend those dollars on a much better synthetic - Amsoil or Redline. Or if you're dead set on a Mobil 1 product - spend the extra money and buy the Mobil 1 EP. It's a decent synthetic oil. Not as good as Amsoil, but a much better oil than standard Mobil 1.
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Old Apr 10, 2007 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by versionJDM,Apr 10 2007, 11:17 AM
slick 50 and RP are hardly the same. for the last 10k miles my car DOES run better and run smoother than it ever did on moble 1. i think im am going to try reline for my next oil change though, but not because i am at displeased with RP.

and as far as RP "raced backed support" maybe you missed this:

Royal Purple has been involved with teams in the following championships since its introduction to the UK.


like i said, oil is almost like religion, everyone believes something different is best, and sometimes its best to leave it alone.
You post is full of generalizations and lacks specifics.
Additionally, you can say the same about Mobil 1 and Lucas Oil - most of that is marketing and sponsorship and has nothing to do with products produced for the streets.

Here's the hard facts:
The oils you use and the oils used on the race track are NOT the same.
Standard Mobil 1 is nothing to write home about and really doesn't outperform dino oil. Yet Formula 1 racecars use it right?
NO. Sponsored race teams use custom high quality formulations that are as unique and expensive as the race parts used in their construction. It's like saying the WRX STi you can buy at your dealership is the same as the cars you see in the WRC. There's about a $200,000 difference in price tag - and there's a reason for it.

Royal Purple spends too much time sponsoring teams so you'll get excited buying it. Unfortunately, you're not buying the same stuff the race cars are using.
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Old Apr 10, 2007 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by slipstream444,Apr 10 2007, 07:45 AM

Great - RP is great to take long walks with, have candle light dinners, and whisper sweet nothings to...

I only use an oil that has a proven track record - and Royal Purple doesn't have one. I haven't seen any scientifically backed data showing the performance characteristics of the product. Scientific - as in industry standardized performance tests - done by independent labs. There are claims that RP "micropolishes" bearing surfaces. Polish=abrasive, no matter how "micro" the polish is. Ya, that's exactly what I want in my engine.

RP is marketing, not substance.
This is the sentiment expressed by Road Rage - and oil is his business.
I choose substance over marketing (or pretty colors).



and I totally agree with you!
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 06:20 AM
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Slipstream444,

I've always used Mobil 1 synthentic because I've alway been too lazy to research another product(I simply bought the hype). I used it in my '02, and the motor had to be replaced. I'm not saying the oil was at fault, but it was possible it had a hand in it. I believe there was an issue from the factory with the cylinder wall scoring at 30,000 or so miles.

Anyway, my question would be: I just bought an '07 new. Should I replace the oil at 5,000 miles with Amsoil 10W30 full synthentic? When and with what should my change be?

Thanks for the input.
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 07:15 AM
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[QUOTE=Money2536,Apr 11 2007, 09:20 AM]Anyway, my question would be:
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 90crvtec,Apr 11 2007, 10:15 AM
Hmmm...
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 07:38 AM
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[QUOTE=Money2536,Apr 11 2007, 08:20 AM] Slipstream444,

I've always used Mobil 1 synthentic because I've alway been too lazy to research another product(I simply bought the hype).
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Old Apr 11, 2007 | 07:59 AM
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Thank you for you knowledge. Are you saying that you don't think it's necessary to switch to a semi-synthetic after the first 750 miles? I was planning on running the factory supplied oil that came in the car for about 3000 miles and then make a direct change over to Amsoil, I'm guessinng, 5W30. I live in Orlando where it doesn't break 95 degrees.
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