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Old 12-12-2018, 06:11 PM
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Here is a C&D road test. Compare this to the S2000's times at the hand of the same organization.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ine-more-power
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Regardless of 0-60 times, the Miata FEELS faster. The 2019 Miata does make a little less torque at 151 lb-ft vs. the AP2 S2000 with 162 lb-ft. But peak torque in the Miata comes up at 4000 vs. 7800 RPM for the S2000. And the Miata weighs around 500 pounds less than the Honda on the Car and Driver's scales.

But ultimately the S is faster to 60, with Car and Driver getting 5.4 seconds in the AP2 S2000 compared to 5.7 in the latest Miata. Car and Driver always adjusts performance times for things like altitude, ambient temperature, and humidity so although some time passed between the two road tests, it is a fair apples-apples comparison. Of course the cars they test are pressers which can introduce some variability and which means they will thrash the car in whatever way produces the lowest times.

My Miata data came from the road test article that Bill linked to. I guess I was reading the article while Bill was clicking "Post Quick Reply". It is worth a read if you are at all interested in the latest MX5.
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The new 3 series is being reviewed by the car mags and websites. It seems to have recaptured some of the old 3 series goodness while still being more powerful than the outgoing car. Improved steering is the headline. Derivative styling and sub-par interior is the lament.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...0i-330i-driven
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Originally Posted by NNY S2k View Post
Yep, back in 02, the only time my S was at the track (I was just curious what it would do)....Others have done about 13.6 with some practice.
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What r.p.m. did you launch at Levi? Did you do a burnout first and warm up the tires?
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Old 12-13-2018, 07:38 AM
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Mike, I made it through Doug's video on the Model 3 and kept wondering why different = cool. I think someone who was raised in a Tesla only world would find it really cool if they did not have to go to a screen to open the glove box but instead could just reach over and lift the little handle; now that's cool. If I had to choose between the Miata and the Tesla that would be one of the easiest car decisions I ever had to make.
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Old 12-13-2018, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by S1997 View Post
I have never launched my S2000. For me, the 0-60 time just indicates loosely how well the car accelerates. The car gets driven aggressively on the track, but I wouldn‘t trust the diff at a raw clutch dump.
And they are still beautiful and are a joy to own and drive. I‘m not switching...
Jim I agree. I’ve mentioned this before - the S2000 embodied all of the things I love in a sports car. It was designed from the ground up for pure driving enjoyment. I recall my test drive in a used 2000 model. I stood on the throttle entering an interstate on-ramp. I redlined each gear, sending it easily past 100 mph. In fact, I didn’t even realize it until my wife said 120 mph in someone else’s car is enough! This was followed by testing the handling on back roads. I couldn’t sleep that night. I ordered a new 2001 the next day. The 240-hp VETC four-cylinders and 9000-rpm redline was intoxicating. Plus the 1963 Lotus Elan inspired chassis along with a 6-speed was more than enough to hook me. And it all came with that wonderful Honda at-the-time reliability! I don’t recall 0-60 times being a big factor in my selection.

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Old 12-13-2018, 08:17 AM
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0-60 times matter to me as they are a useful benchmark when researching all the cars you are interested in buying. Like any statistic, it is only one of many. Over the years the usefulness of the number has been diluted by additional data supplied by the testers, such as time to distance, and rolling start acceleration. While the test drive trumps everything, the butt dyno is easily fooled and it is always good to be rooted in the data.

I launched my car frequently in the first two or three years of ownership. In autocross a launch not only takes valuable tenths off your time, but heats the rear tires a bit for better cornering, especially on the first run.
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Living in the land of muscle cars where 0-60 means darn near everything, I'm sure I used it for comparison with similar rides but that would be the extent of it.
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R&T's comments about the new BMW 3 are significantly sharper than C&D's

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...-drive-review/
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Old 12-13-2018, 08:32 AM
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Back in 2006 I had hoped to buy a 3-series and really enjoyed my short test drive but the seats/ride was too harsh on my wife's back so we ended up with an A6. The new one doesn't sound like something that would stir my juices.
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