China Surpasses USA
07-20-2010, 09:54 AM
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China Surpasses USA
The front page of the Wall Street Journal marked this historic event. China has surpassed the US in the consumption of energy. this was due in small part to a drop in consumption by the US, attributed to the economic down turn. Apparently, the down turn had little impact on China's consumption. With a population in excess of 1B people, I think China has a long way yet to go before they hit the top of their power consumption potential.
07-21-2010, 06:21 AM
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My guess is it will develop geen energy while continuing its increase in the use of fossil fuels. What does China have, something like five times our population? Even if only one third the country reaches some level of affluence sufficient to afford a car, I think you will easily see them using twice as much fuel as the US in about five years. Keep in mind that they have tremendous heavy industry that is fossil fuel dependant.
07-21-2010, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Zippy,Jul 21 2010, 04:03 AM
It is my understanding that China has a national initiative to develop green energy.
They want to be the world's leader in solar cell manufacturing and also wind turbine manufacturing. Many of the mainstream solar cell companies make their solar cells in China (First Solar being one). Most of the development of new solar cells is being doine here in the US, but my guess is that once the cells are developed, they would be manufactured in China. Solar cells are much like computer chips, as a matter of fact, the companies that make computer chip manufacturing machnes also make solar cell manufacturing machines. Chinese companies certrainly know how to make computer chips.
In gasification, both biomass and coal, there are only two countries in the world where new gasifiers are being built - China and India.
I don't know that they are doing anything about algae, but it would not surprise me.
Oh, and those Buicks, they have 1.5 - 2.3 liter engines and most have manual transmissions. When I was there, it amazed me the way they drive them. They would be in 5th gear by the time they are doing 30 mph. The poor engines in those cars are lugged so badly, the cars buck every time they have to cliimb a hill or even speed up slightly.
07-21-2010, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by silvershadow,Jul 21 2010, 09:26 AM
China has a very aggressive stance in green energy. They are pursuiung energy energy production on all fronts - both conventional and alternative. At one point, pulverized coal fired boiler to produce electricity were being commissioned at the rate of one a week for about 3 years. That is a tremendous amount of energy production.
They want to be the world's leader in solar cell manufacturing and also wind turbine manufacturing. Many of the mainstream solar cell companies make their solar cells in China (First Solar being one). Most of the development of new solar cells is being doine here in the US, but my guess is that once the cells are developed, they would be manufactured in China. Solar cells are much like computer chips, as a matter of fact, the companies that make computer chip manufacturing machnes also make solar cell manufacturing machines. Chinese companies certrainly know how to make computer chips.
In gasification, both biomass and coal, there are only two countries in the world where new gasifiers are being built - China and India.
I don't know that they are doing anything about algae, but it would not surprise me.
Oh, and those Buicks, they have 1.5 - 2.3 liter engines and most have manual transmissions. When I was there, it amazed me the way they drive them. They would be in 5th gear by the time they are doing 30 mph. The poor engines in those cars are lugged so badly, the cars buck every time they have to cliimb a hill or even speed up slightly.
They want to be the world's leader in solar cell manufacturing and also wind turbine manufacturing. Many of the mainstream solar cell companies make their solar cells in China (First Solar being one). Most of the development of new solar cells is being doine here in the US, but my guess is that once the cells are developed, they would be manufactured in China. Solar cells are much like computer chips, as a matter of fact, the companies that make computer chip manufacturing machnes also make solar cell manufacturing machines. Chinese companies certrainly know how to make computer chips.
In gasification, both biomass and coal, there are only two countries in the world where new gasifiers are being built - China and India.
I don't know that they are doing anything about algae, but it would not surprise me.
Oh, and those Buicks, they have 1.5 - 2.3 liter engines and most have manual transmissions. When I was there, it amazed me the way they drive them. They would be in 5th gear by the time they are doing 30 mph. The poor engines in those cars are lugged so badly, the cars buck every time they have to cliimb a hill or even speed up slightly.
07-21-2010, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Legal Bill,Jul 21 2010, 06:42 AM
This tells me that the "green energy path to economic recovery" is yet another hoax.
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07-21-2010, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by WhiteS2k,Jul 21 2010, 10:41 AM
Please explain why you think it is a hoax. I think the Chinese government is counting on this strategy (i.e., green energy as a path to economic advancement) to work for them.
07-21-2010, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by aashish2,Jul 21 2010, 12:52 PM
Its a hoax because with close to 1/5th of China's population, we do not need Green Energy. China has a higher population and needs green tech to offset the burden on fossil fuel consumption. Besides oil & gas are from the earth's core so they are organic and therefore green. Drill baby, drill 
If development happens here and production is shifted overseas, how will Green initiatives ever contribute to boosting employment and industrial growth here. These green startups will eventually grow profitable, go for an IPO and have the very rich invest in them. The very rich will want increased value year upon year. Once you can't grow in terms of market share, you can increase profit (value) by cutting costs. So these companies will shift production to China & India and put people on welfare, so we are back to square one (which is basically what the green initiative was intended to relieve). Therefore it is a hoax.
Plain tongue in cheek guys. Take no offense. You can see I've been reading too much freakonomics
If development happens here and production is shifted overseas, how will Green initiatives ever contribute to boosting employment and industrial growth here. These green startups will eventually grow profitable, go for an IPO and have the very rich invest in them. The very rich will want increased value year upon year. Once you can't grow in terms of market share, you can increase profit (value) by cutting costs. So these companies will shift production to China & India and put people on welfare, so we are back to square one (which is basically what the green initiative was intended to relieve). Therefore it is a hoax.
Plain tongue in cheek guys. Take no offense. You can see I've been reading too much freakonomics