get ready for the roller coaster
Originally Posted by dlq04,Sep 16 2008, 12:11 AM
Bill, I agree with all you've said. What I want to hear is that we have President waiting in the wings that understands what Priority One is and gets it moving at a level the oil rulers never imagined. Instead I am bombared with ads and BS that don't mean $hit from both sides.
Back OT. I sure hope we see something to stem the tide tomorrow. We have to get the housing market out of the crapper.
Back OT. I sure hope we see something to stem the tide tomorrow. We have to get the housing market out of the crapper.
I haven't invested any major new money in my portfolio in the past six months, except for some I put into a new international wind energy fund. I do still have my automatic monthly deposit to my stock pool, which my broker then uses to purchase whatever with when it builds up. Most of my money lately has gone down the toilet, so to speak.
Once I pay off this remodel, I'll need to start looking at what to do. We are all pretty much in the same boat. Unless you see some really great deals out there, I would think hold and wait is the option for now. That's mine.
Once I pay off this remodel, I'll need to start looking at what to do. We are all pretty much in the same boat. Unless you see some really great deals out there, I would think hold and wait is the option for now. That's mine.
Originally Posted by Legal Bill,Sep 15 2008, 08:09 PM
Of what? Weak economy, or declining market value? They are not the same thing as the street usually anticipates the bad in advance. The market may not see any gains for 12 months due to the economy, but are your people actually predicting decreasing market values for another 18 to 24 months???
Jamie spoke to shareholders and employees ~3 months ago, and at time he made his statements that the economy would not turn up for ~18-24 months then.
IF Washington continues to do nothing about the state of the economy then this will be a long and cold winter.
Before you ask, what do they need to do. REGULATE the financial markets. I believe that it was Carter that deregulated them, and they have done some very nutty things since, (derivatives for one). There needs to be regulation on investment banks, they basically operate with little reserves.
I am not a person that understands all the intricacies of the financial markets, but I read and I am certain that "The fundamentals are good" at this time is a foolish statement.
Originally Posted by paS2K,Sep 16 2008, 12:29 AM
Once again, I am resisting the temptation to access my Online Vanguard account 
Luckily, we have 12 months cash needs in our Money Mkt account. I wonder if many younger folks have followed the old step 1 in financail planning:
*3-6 months cash in an emergency fund, if you have two incomes and/or good job secuity
*6-12 months cash in an emergency fund, if a family has only one bread-winner* or widely fluctuating income (like a commission job)
*how's that for a quaint anachronism.... bread winner

Luckily, we have 12 months cash needs in our Money Mkt account. I wonder if many younger folks have followed the old step 1 in financail planning:
*3-6 months cash in an emergency fund, if you have two incomes and/or good job secuity
*6-12 months cash in an emergency fund, if a family has only one bread-winner* or widely fluctuating income (like a commission job)
*how's that for a quaint anachronism.... bread winner
A family member (not immediate) has just faced a health issue that will keep her out of work. She and her husband had a bigger mortgage than her parents thought they did. Now, the parents (in their retirement) are helping them out financially. Not a good scenario, but I'd bet as more young folks face loss of jobs due to lay offs, the parents may just end up lending a hand, by lending them $.
Back on topic...it's going to take a LOT to convince me to ever put money into anything other than very conservative investments. If we can get any kind of recovery from this, I will begin the process of having things moved to that area.
Originally Posted by martha,Sep 16 2008, 06:58 AM
Actually, more credit can be given to Phil Gramm sliding an amendment into the omnibus appropriations bill that basically deregulated derivatives trading (remember those nasty things derivatives that brought down Enron's house of cards and several others with it). And Phil Gramm is, of course, one of McCain's "economic expert" advisors. check this out
Edited to add that the "greed" portion comes in because in 2003 Phil Gramm left the senate to join UBS which has purchased Paine Weber, being able to do so as a result of above said bill. But I'm SURE he didn't have any such idea in mind for his future after he was shamed out of the senate.
Edited to add that the "greed" portion comes in because in 2003 Phil Gramm left the senate to join UBS which has purchased Paine Weber, being able to do so as a result of above said bill. But I'm SURE he didn't have any such idea in mind for his future after he was shamed out of the senate.

Well you know, we are just "nation of whiners" and ther really isn't an economic crisis. Thank you for your wisdom Mr. Gramm.
Originally Posted by Zippy,Sep 16 2008, 08:51 AM
Thank you Martha, this had completely slipped my mind.
Well you know, we are just "nation of whiners" and ther really isn't an economic crisis. Thank you for your wisdom Mr. Gramm.
Well you know, we are just "nation of whiners" and ther really isn't an economic crisis. Thank you for your wisdom Mr. Gramm.
There is a marked irony here.
The crash of '29 was largely caused by "investors" who were heavily relying on margin accounts i.e. borrowed money to invest. of course they were borrowing against paper gains based on the market.
fast forward 80 years.
The market is slowly crumbling because all of the brokerage houses are heavily leveraged in derivatives.
The crash of '29 was largely caused by "investors" who were heavily relying on margin accounts i.e. borrowed money to invest. of course they were borrowing against paper gains based on the market.
fast forward 80 years.
The market is slowly crumbling because all of the brokerage houses are heavily leveraged in derivatives.
I've always heard that recessions last, on average, 6 months. I haven't been too worried, thinking things would bounce back before my elusive, ever-moving-forward retirement date. I hadn't even studied the Great Depression. Unfortunately, I just did a quick read and this comment is scaring the crap out of me:
The Dow did not return to pre-1929 levels until 1954!
Unfortunately, I just don't have that long to wait!
The Dow did not return to pre-1929 levels until 1954!
Unfortunately, I just don't have that long to wait!











