So here's what I have. I got a bunch of stuff for Christmas that I wanted for the S including, Klasse AIO, PC, P21S, Menzerna IP and FP. I have looked at the results others have gotten using P21S over the Klasse and I have a few questions. First, the Menzerna products are for removing some minor swirls and holograms that the cleanup guys at the dealership I work for put in there with a buffer. Now my main question is this: Am I going to have the same kind of high gloss and depth that I see others get with my Klasse and P21 layering because I notice that most people put a couple of coats of the Klasse SG on before the P21. I didn't get any of the SG and just wonder if it really makes that much of a difference. I am just excited to get to use the PC because I have always hand polished and waxed with the Autoglym but never got the kind of gloss and depth I see in pics here. Any advice would be good. Thanks.

 

if i understand your question, you are asking whether you can put p21s over aio without sg and get a good shine?

if i got it right the answer is "yes, but"....

the "yes, but" part is yes, but it wont have the depth that sg under the p21s would give it... so not quite the same pop. also you will not have the longevity that a synthetic gives (your wax will be gone in about a month or two, depending on how you care for your car- can be longer or shorter).
you will basically have "klasse light" on the car. your shine will come mainly from the p21s i think.

i have not seen a comparo of p21s over sg vs. over aio... so if you decide to do this and then later on you get sg- i would love to see your comparo. best way to do that kind of comparo is to do half the car with one and the other half with the other.... kinda impractical unless youve got lotsa time- the way i do it is to do the front end with the way i think i am gonna prefer, and the back end with what i think my second choice will be. that way, i can live with it until the next time i detail the car- then i just do the whole car the way that i prefer.

btw, lookin forward to badging you! (as soon as you have some pics of your clean car, post em up and pm me for your badge)-
very glad to see our old friend, klasse, revived!

klasse

 

btw, our member "autopia" is the king of klasse in my mind...

he has written much on that subject, and this is one of his articles:

http://autopia.org/forum/product-spotlight...end-klasse.html


and his classic- "the perfect shine":

http://www.guidetodetailing.com/arti...p?articleId=28

 

Klasse is clearly a very popular product. I just bought a bottle of Optimum Poli-Seal which is a similar product but I understand has more polishing power and leaves a more durable layer of protection. I have yet to try it out to verify these claims though.

Anyway, back OT . . . I agree with wanabe that you will not achieve the same look without using Klasse SG. I would argue though that there would not be a difference in depth as wanabe mentions, but rather a difference in gloss. I find generally speaking sealants add a lot of gloss to the paint but contribute little to depth of shine. Waxes on the other hand have a warm glowing shine and much depth. So, adding wax over sealant typically gives more depth of shine and mutes the gloss to some degree.

Also, are you applying all of these products by hand or machine? If you're doing it by hand then that will make it even more difficult (if not impossible) to achieve the results you're looking for. You definitely have a nice selection of products to start with though.

 

mikeyc and i will agree to disagree !!
and its all opinion anyway... and i absolutely respect his opinions-

he did make me remember to remind you that the aio isnt as picky as the sg is... sg must be applied very thin or its a hassle to work with. aio should be used thin, but it not as big of a deal. i prefer to apply synthetics with the pc- for mikeyc's reason (easier to control an even and thin application), and its just more fun!
i often remove with the pc also (i use an mf bonnet over a lambswool pad for removal).

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btw: (this one is a marketing opinion... in other words, an advertisement- so take it with a grain of salt!)

"Klasse Sealant Glaze Car Wax is a pure acrylic sealant that layers to improve gloss and depth of shine."
source: http://www.autopia-carcare.com/kus-kls-gla.html

they do not say just how much it improves... which is where the opinion side of this comes in!
(some would argue almost no improvement and some would argue that it is a great improvement)

 

Oh yeah. I forgot how finicky SG can be to apply too. When I was talking about using a machine I was speaking about using his Menzerna polishes.

 

I am definitely going to use the PC with the Menzerna and I am undecided on using it with the Klasse. Seems that it can be temperamental with a machine. I am going to hand apply the P21S. I was scared of using the SG with P21 over it because I have read that can be an issue also. I am so OCD and obsessed with my car that I don't know exactly what I want to do between the Klasse and P21. Should I try the SG or maybe some FMJ over the Klasse and then wax with P21? Sorry about all the questions but I am just a perfectionist!

 

Also, it does seem that SG is quite finicky and I sort of scared of that also but I am going to order something tonight.

 

In my experience, 90% of depth and gloss comes from a well-prepped surface, and a good wax/sealant on top of that is like icing on the cake so to speak. If you were polishing by hand before, then that's most likely why you weren't seeing the results you expected Try claying your car first, and then polish out your paint with your PC using IP and then FP (be sure to work slowly and crank it up to at least speed 5). Apply the P21S after you're done, and I think you'll be pretty floored by the depth and gloss

And regarding the SG, I think you'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference between a car that has P21S on it as opposed to a car that has P21S layered over SG. Personally, I've never been a big fan of layering different waxes, and I think the visual difference is minor at best. 1-2 layers of FMJ has always looked just as good to my eye

 

Skip the SG and go for the FMJ

FMJ is SOO much easier to apply/remove, lasts just as long, and looks better too (in my opinion)