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Old 01-07-2007 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Emil St-Hilaire,Jan 5 2007, 11:42 PM
this is what Klasse AIO,topped with a couple layers of P021S,all done by hand,on a "driven" car"(no garage queen,here...!!!) looks like
the third pic is so reflective the front bumper looks animated. I think I know what my next detailing session will include: Menzera polishes, AIO, and P21s. but just to make sure, the general concensus is AIO should be machine applied, correct? Also, how do the Menzerna twins compare to the Sonus system? In the thread provided by wanabe, the OP stated he spent 7 hours polishing with a PC. Although his results were great, was he going over the same panels again and again to achieve those results? If so, I'd rather just get a compound and get it done in a pass because I don't have 7 hours to polish!
Old 01-07-2007 | 04:39 PM
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aio isnt really a protectant... you still need a synthetic protectant imo- although you could go with p21s (carnuba only), but a synthetic will give you a lot more protection.

can not tell where you are, since your location is not indicated, but you could post up in your local forum for someone to help you with the polishing.

you can easily spend 7 hours on a badly swirled car for a full detail... i get the impression that your car isnt that bad- a compound will really eat your clear coat while swirl removers will not take down that much (btw, after a compound you still have to do a swirl remover to bring back the shine!). from what i understand, you just need a good swirl removal and then the synthetic protection... someone with experience can do that in 3 to 5 hours with at least a coupla coats of synthetic.

hint- do the swirl removal and synthetic when you detail the car. then the next time you wash the car, carnuba it. you dont really have to do the entire process at once.
Old 01-08-2007 | 04:00 PM
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so if aio isn't a protectant, what is it and what is its purpose? how long must you wait to top it with a synthetic? also, I already have SFX 2 and 3, and they almost removed my swirls, but I just want to know what the big deal is about Menzerna.
Old 01-08-2007 | 04:21 PM
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sorry, not thinking clearly... i dont think of it as a protectant but it is- i always think of it as a cleaner (like a paint cleaner)- and it does some of that too.

so i correct my own post- aio does give some protection (and it also lasts awhile)- you actually could just p21s over the aio, but it seems to me like you have done so much work, why not just finish it ? ! (with sg or another high quality product)
Old 01-08-2007 | 07:13 PM
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Well I ordered the SG because of the price and I am hopefully going to get to detail it on Wednesday. I just don't have a garage here and there are no shade trees so I am a little worried about putting it on. Temperature is supposed to be around 50 to 53 and sunny.
Old 01-08-2007 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by manjeremy,Jan 8 2007, 08:13 PM
Well I ordered the SG because of the price and I am hopefully going to get to detail it on Wednesday. I just don't have a garage here and there are no shade trees so I am a little worried about putting it on. Temperature is supposed to be around 50 to 53 and sunny.
you will not be sorry about your product choices...

as far as the sun, i get up early in the morning and work on the car on the west side of the house. if the sun gets on the car, i move it if i can... if i cant i either just deal with it (if its not gonna be much more time), or i wait for the next step then next day.
a more expensive option is a shade tent made for cars-
Old 01-08-2007 | 07:40 PM
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isn't the real reason for detailing in the shade because of the heat (not light)? in that case I would imagine that 50 degrees would be fine since it would be warmer than that in the shade on a summer day.
Old 01-09-2007 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by s2krazy01,Jan 8 2007, 08:40 PM
isn't the real reason for detailing in the shade because of the heat (not light)? in that case I would imagine that 50 degrees would be fine since it would be warmer than that in the shade on a summer day.
yup- you dont want the paint to be hot...
several reasons including paint shock- but the main reason is that hot paint will cause rapid evaporation of the water leaving water spots.

usually where you have sun, the paint warms faster than the air- which is why its best to use shade where possible-
Old 01-10-2007 | 02:30 PM
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Well I am done with my first day of it and all I can say is WOW about the Menzerna, Klasse, and Porter Cable! I finally have no swirls and the glosss I want. I got one coat of SG on and am going to finish later this week with two more coats of SG and then my first coat of P21S. I don't even know how I made it before without a PC! I love that thing and love my wife for buying it for me! Thanks again for the advice and suggestions. I will post up pics after the process is complete.
Old 01-10-2007 | 02:31 PM
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I also didn't find the SG to be finicky at all. My guess is that most people use way too much product.


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