Discussion of Board Policy
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QueRam,
you are correct sir. I was speaking up more for the general practice of policies rather than specifically about Bieg.
There is definitely much greater of an audience that supports SilverFog's ideas than these threads lead on. In the past couple of days of this thread there are many other distinct members that have pm'd me in support but would rather not get involved by voicing their opinions. This leaves me at ends....I want to let this individual situation go, I've said my piece and smoked my peace
. However, with the amount of email and pm's I recieved, I feel as if I need to continue on some topics that get brought back up to argue their points.
you are correct sir. I was speaking up more for the general practice of policies rather than specifically about Bieg.
There is definitely much greater of an audience that supports SilverFog's ideas than these threads lead on. In the past couple of days of this thread there are many other distinct members that have pm'd me in support but would rather not get involved by voicing their opinions. This leaves me at ends....I want to let this individual situation go, I've said my piece and smoked my peace
. However, with the amount of email and pm's I recieved, I feel as if I need to continue on some topics that get brought back up to argue their points.
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It does concern me that some folks feel intimidated to express their concerns or opinions. If you do not want to post publicly, I urge you to fill up my email or pm box. I will answer all your questions.
The biggest issue in my mind is the personal insults, slamming or belittling(sp). Treat your fellow members the way you want to be treated. If you call so and so and ass, then expect to be called an ass as well. No one should be called any names period.
The moderators have chosen to moderate because they want to, not because they have to. If anyone has a concern with a moderator then let us know.
We need to look towards the future and ensure positive growth for our community, yes our
You get from the community what you put in to it.
The biggest issue in my mind is the personal insults, slamming or belittling(sp). Treat your fellow members the way you want to be treated. If you call so and so and ass, then expect to be called an ass as well. No one should be called any names period.
The moderators have chosen to moderate because they want to, not because they have to. If anyone has a concern with a moderator then let us know.
We need to look towards the future and ensure positive growth for our community, yes our
You get from the community what you put in to it.
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QueRam,
I don't think we've had the pleasure. I don't know why anyone should be intimidated. Are you? You are right the situation is over. If I've intimidated you I apologize. I think if parties talk and dicuss the issues with civility there shouldn't ever be a problem. Take yourself out of the fray if you can. Remove any biasness and then go look at the threads that started the process.
Make up your own mind!
I think you'll see that what action was necessary and occurred without predjuce or coaxing. Just because people agreed with the action doesn't mean that they like it. It was effective and dealt with the situation. I respect it and I'll honor it also, even though I don't like it.
Do you think that the conversation should have be allowed to continued? I don't think so. They were already at the point of name calling and finger pointing. Nothing was finalized except members getting pissed at each other.
No anger, no retaliation, just pure curiosity on my part. This is just a dicussion.
I don't think we've had the pleasure. I don't know why anyone should be intimidated. Are you? You are right the situation is over. If I've intimidated you I apologize. I think if parties talk and dicuss the issues with civility there shouldn't ever be a problem. Take yourself out of the fray if you can. Remove any biasness and then go look at the threads that started the process.
Make up your own mind!
I think you'll see that what action was necessary and occurred without predjuce or coaxing. Just because people agreed with the action doesn't mean that they like it. It was effective and dealt with the situation. I respect it and I'll honor it also, even though I don't like it.
Do you think that the conversation should have be allowed to continued? I don't think so. They were already at the point of name calling and finger pointing. Nothing was finalized except members getting pissed at each other.
No anger, no retaliation, just pure curiosity on my part.
This is just a dicussion.
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SEV, this forum has to be run as a business in order to support what we have. If we are not smart in generating revenue we will not survive. The number of postings and bandwidth have increased and so have the members.
I hear your comment about the board no longer being a community. I have not heard the other members' concerns yet.
I have never owned a business, I have always worked for someone, so I did not understand what it takes to run a business. It is alot of work, and when providing a service, cost is involved. I am learning very quickly.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sev
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That is a nice concept. However,
I hear your comment about the board no longer being a community. I have not heard the other members' concerns yet.
I have never owned a business, I have always worked for someone, so I did not understand what it takes to run a business. It is alot of work, and when providing a service, cost is involved. I am learning very quickly.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sev
[B]
That is a nice concept. However,
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Honda Gal, I'm not entirely certain whether or not this is the place for it, but you wanted other user's comments, so I'll give you mine. I choose to post them here not only because you asked, but I think they have relevance to the issue at hand, IMO of course.
1. Yes, S2Ki has to be a business. Unfortunate, but a fact of life unless the owner wins the lottery and becomes a philanthropist. What sort of business it should be is worthy of investigation. Sponsors must be leashed, but they must also get their monies' worth.
2. The whole Bieg issue has soured me somewhat on this board. And it really isn't so much that Bieg was banned, nor is it S2Ki in general. It has to do with a small segment of the membership, the response of some of those folks to comments from folks like SilverFog, and the tacit approval, by omission, of those responses by management. It's o.k. to disagree, disagree strongly and defend your position in a thread. But the belittlement of the issue, pooh-poohing of concerns, and especially the deliberate off-topic postings are irritating, disrespectful and certainly not in keeping with the spirit of this board. I also find the behavior of many posters on the topic highly hypocritical. I'm sure it was always there, but this issue has brought the behavior into plain sight.
I stopped posting in the previous thread on the Bieg issue because I felt like I was wasting my time. The only way I was even going to remotely influence the opinions of some of the other posters was to beat them over the head with the issue. That's not something I care to do. I'd rather try and present it 6 different ways till one works, rather than resort to verbal boxing and personal insult. However, this thread appears to have degenerated into the same stuff again and frankly, I'm tempted to say screw it and wade in, because these issues are important to the health of this board and its membership. Thus, I post this to enter my comments in the record. I like this board, but I don't like some of the things I'm seeing.
BTW, the only reason I think anyone should be telling anyone else to drop a thread is if Cthree needs to reduce his bandwidth usage to keep costs down (or perhaps if it involves threats and the like). If it needs to be relocated to the appropriate forum, the selection of which I will defer to others, fine. Otherwise, just ignore the thread instead of regaling posters with questionably pithy off-topic posts.
UL
-edit: cleaned up point 2 to make it easier to read
1. Yes, S2Ki has to be a business. Unfortunate, but a fact of life unless the owner wins the lottery and becomes a philanthropist. What sort of business it should be is worthy of investigation. Sponsors must be leashed, but they must also get their monies' worth.
2. The whole Bieg issue has soured me somewhat on this board. And it really isn't so much that Bieg was banned, nor is it S2Ki in general. It has to do with a small segment of the membership, the response of some of those folks to comments from folks like SilverFog, and the tacit approval, by omission, of those responses by management. It's o.k. to disagree, disagree strongly and defend your position in a thread. But the belittlement of the issue, pooh-poohing of concerns, and especially the deliberate off-topic postings are irritating, disrespectful and certainly not in keeping with the spirit of this board. I also find the behavior of many posters on the topic highly hypocritical. I'm sure it was always there, but this issue has brought the behavior into plain sight.
I stopped posting in the previous thread on the Bieg issue because I felt like I was wasting my time. The only way I was even going to remotely influence the opinions of some of the other posters was to beat them over the head with the issue. That's not something I care to do. I'd rather try and present it 6 different ways till one works, rather than resort to verbal boxing and personal insult. However, this thread appears to have degenerated into the same stuff again and frankly, I'm tempted to say screw it and wade in, because these issues are important to the health of this board and its membership. Thus, I post this to enter my comments in the record. I like this board, but I don't like some of the things I'm seeing.
BTW, the only reason I think anyone should be telling anyone else to drop a thread is if Cthree needs to reduce his bandwidth usage to keep costs down (or perhaps if it involves threats and the like). If it needs to be relocated to the appropriate forum, the selection of which I will defer to others, fine. Otherwise, just ignore the thread instead of regaling posters with questionably pithy off-topic posts.
UL
-edit: cleaned up point 2 to make it easier to read