Jfuse maybe we can work something out to give you a hand with the motor r&r

 

This is the factory ap1 clutch at 60k miles. Your theory makes a lot of sense though, as the only thing that felt strange was I got increased vibration through the clutch at the friction point, other than that the motor didn't feel bad. I have seen some metal pieces in the oil pick up screen, not enough to clog it now but perhaps while the motor was running and then they fell down. I think you are making a lot of sense with that explanation. Next thing is to open up the lower block and see the mains and thrust washers, getting to that point is a hell of a job though working on jackstands in my garage, aaargh. Here are the pics , the last picture has three pieces of a ribbon-like metal that is different in appearance than all of the silver and copper pieces, I was thinking those were parts of the thrust washers, they are silver and black colour and they have a ribbon like look to them.

 

Jeeze yeah I wouldn't bother lying under your car anymore. You might as well get ready to pull the engine. With that much material sitting in the pan your going to have to take the motor apart regardless.

I think I may still know where there is an f20 available if the guy still has it. Like I said text me and I can probably lead you in the right direction. Your down by Kitchener/london area right?

 

yeah I thought the rod bearings were the first to go so I tried to pull them off and they actually look almost perfect, so it is the mains and thrust washers for sure so the engine has to come out.

I'll text you tomorrow and if you can locate the contact with the f20c parts that would be great, I'm in London but I can travel pretty much anywhere for this. Thanks bud

 

Sorry to hear about your troubles. Really sucks to hear.

Anyhow, don't write off your current engine yet. Try to get a proper look at the cylinder walls first. If they aren't scored, you might be able to salvage it by yanking the crank, then re-re the bearings.

 

Cyl walls are the least of his worries at the moment. If the crank walked (and it most likely has given by his poor clutch pedal feel and excess shavings) then the block is toast. The crank literally chews up the mains and the block is no longer usable. Common problem on these motors

 

Eeek. I didn't know if he measured significant crank end-play.

Reapur and I helped orchestrate fluky15's engine swap. And many of the guys on here have done swaps as well. I'm sure you'll be able to swap the engine within 2 or 3 days with some help from the s2ki'ers.

P.s what type of oil have you been running? Also, how much mileage did you put on your car since going to mosport last year?

 

I initially thought it was oil starvaton from my runs at Mosport, but now the crank walk issue sonds more plausible. At Mosport I ran Amsoil 5w30. I just put in Castrol Edge 10w30 Titanium with a new Honda filter about 2 weeks ago. No oil in the world would have saved this. Since running at Mosport I have driven about 1000 kms or more and the car has been running like mint, lots of power, very smooth and quiet that is the strange part of all of this.

 

Sounds like there's more to the story! The thrust bearings run on a very thin film of oil. It doesn't take much lack of lubrication to destroy them. In fact many have done the clutch pedal bypass to avoid wear and tear at startup. I did a writeup on it ages ago.

 

Well I initially thought the car may have had some oil starvation last fall when I ran it for a bit at Mosport. After dumping my oil in early fall I had the used oil analyzed and the lead and iron readings had jumped up quite a bit compared to a used oil samples that I had analyzed previously. The only thing I could think of was the Mosport visit though I didn't have any issues or oil light or CEL at the time. I have since driven quite a bit since that event. The car just let go on a normal drive down the road recently. So I really don't know what caused it. I thought the crank walk theory was most plausible though. Who knows. I think I better get myself a new block though.