aldfort

Stop with the

Are you seriouslt suggesting to a newish user of this type of car that you should drive it on the road in a manner that allows you to exploit the 4WS to the full?

Or are you just bragging that you have the skill level to do this?

Saxo Boy

I can appreciate your frustraition Mark and I am well aware that the S2000 does have passive rear wheel steering but for the most part I find it difficult to notice the difference between the rear wheels steering and the rear wheels slipping. I can 'feel' the difference but on the basis that the S02s tend not to 'squeel' or make any noise when they slip its all the more difficult to know when the movement from the back is the RWS or tyre slip (unless the angle of movement makes it obvious).

I personally think its much more important for members with questions to have some understanding of the how's n' why's of vehicle movement (as it applies to all cars) than to know the in's and outs of the S2000s limited rear steering

Nick Graves

Oh, FFS!

All you need to do is drive the car at a moderate speed round a big roundabout, with a constant lock. You can make tiny directional corrections, merely by slightly lifting, or slightly re-applying the power.

It's far tidier than wanking the steering wheel.

Once practised, it is useful in spirited driving.

You can feel through your inner ear the change in rear attitude as you do it.

All Hondas used to do it, to a degree.

Lickermat

My 2 peneth ,

Go into round abouts in 3rd and not second. Certainly in the wet pull away in 1st then go to 3rd, like most powerful RWD 2nd gear is the one that will allow u to over cook it all to easy and it all happens very fast with it. Hower in the dry this isnt as improtant.

3rd allows for a much larger headroom and will make for a far more controlled experience wet or dry which in turn makes it fun. This also means that you can keep the power on to exit at a higher speed in control.


Try it 2nite

dreamer

I got confused trying to understand what the initial problem was here...

just in case I've got the right end of the stick, was Si2K asking about why the car steers in when you left off on a corner?

I'm sure someone else has explained dynamics, but yes absolutely it will do this, and it's not a problem; just make sure you enter the corner at the correct speed and don' tlift off part way through a corner (weight xfers to the front of the car, traction is lost, and it can all get quite messy). In fact I spent some time on Sunday with a police instructor, being shown how to use this to steer like a lazy man; i.e. steer with your foot not your hands - minimal steering input.

Take the S on the Academy Day and they will *make* you do this on purpose, then watch you spin

The thing is not to do it when it will unbalance the car i.e. half way around a corner. If you're having to lift off in a corner, then your entry speed is too high, so go in a bit slower.

I'm no expert by a long shot, but hope this helps

Saxo Boy

I can't say that I've practised that at moderate speed Nick. Generally I'm either driving normally or sliding the car about. I'll be sure and try and feel the effect you describe at lower speeds. My point simply was that at the edge of grip any movement in the vehicles line is more likely to be provoked by physics than RWS and I still stand by that statement. I also maintain it is important for people to understand why the vehicle moves in response to the throttle inputs. You'll note in this regard I don't think I have mentioned steering inputs at any point in my posts because I'm simply not referring to any form of steering the car.

Saxo Boy

On re-reading this:

I would agree that the posters inputs are described as smooth and minimal enough to suggest what he is experiencing is RWS as opposed to lift-off induced traction loss.

MarkB

[QUOTE=aldfort,Jul 18 2006, 03:54 PM]Stop with the

MarkB

**** me - at last!

Saxo Boy

Your attitude and remarks (about me) are not in keeping with the character of the board. Perhaps you'd be happier explaining these principles on barryboys?