I've had diesel engined cars in the past original mondeo = not fast.
SEAT Alhambra ( seat MPV) had half the rugby team on board and it still shifted. I can't think the S would fair so well with that kind of weight.

 

they are all slow and your all slow, peace out fellow S2000 brothers


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I've had 3 "sporty" diesels as co cars including a chipped 330D sport.
Not one of them came close to any of my 4 S's
The guy doesn't know his ar$e from his elbow

 

Just look at the gap the seat touring cars open when at any race track with a few hills

 

thats easy for you to say.



the s2000 would have it in the twisties.



fact.

 

My last car was an astra 1.9tdi (150) that was chipped up to around 200bhp. Had ooodles of torque and was great on the motorway. As said before, stomping on the gas pedal and watching the speed climb was crazy.

However,

1) It sounded like a taxi
2) It was far from cool.
3) It doesn't make me smile half as much as my S.

In no way did it handle or stop like the S. Proved in so much as when I first got the astra - I had been driving an RX8 previously and on my first trip out with the Astra I came to a junction, applied the brakes and stopped in the middle of the crossroads!
That made it very apparant, very quickly that numbers mean #### all!

Slap the Skoda boy and let him eat VTEC dust

 

What's always forgotten in these conversations is gearing.

RPM ranges and so on are a bit misleading.

Here's a graph showing the torque curves of an S2000, Audi 170bhp diesel and a BMW320.



We can see that the Audi has way more torque than the others, but if we adjust the torque figures to the gearing, we get this graph. I've assumed that the cars are geared for the same speeds in each gear, so where the S will be spinning at 4krpm, the diesel might be spinning at roughly half that.



Now, if we make the rpm range equal by showing the curves as a % of peak rpm, this is what we end up with.



Of course, it's really all about power, and how much power is being produced througt the rpm range. "The area under the power curve"

 

that was quite interesting actually , tbh tho, it's a FWD car, and he's trying to confirm how cool it is?! Pffft. boring bastard (I'm a recent RWD Convert)

 

Whoa Lovegroova.............are u Carol Vorderman in disguise?



Seriously though, very interesting stuff,

 

Still awake

Up a hill, the S2000 is no quicker than my previous car, if anything marginally slower although with it being lighter, I can brake later. The only place it 'feels' faster is on a nice long flat straight when you take it through the gears. 1/4 mile is listed around 14.2 for the S2000 and about 16 for the remapped diesel IIRC - it's not that much of a gap on the road.

In a straight line it's probably a second and a bit quicker to 60mph - when you measure that on a road, it's barely a car length, certainly not a useable gap.

The point for me and i suspect it applies to a lot of people, is that I'd still rather lose in this than win in anything else