my 1st s2000 (airbag dependant)
02-25-2011, 02:05 AM
#41
Originally Posted by richmc,Feb 25 2011, 10:52 AM
As for the likelihood of having an accident in the S that’s where we will disagree, it has a loose back end, it's very powerful for its weight, it's getting cheaper, it's very geo/tyre sensitive. Road conditions in the UK don't favour it, poorly maintained roads lack of adequate snow/ice clearance etc. And how many bent it/bust it/rolled it threads do we see?
And as an true example near my home is a long left hander I know what speed I can use safely to go round, half way round there’s a gray hair doing 15 yes 15! mph in front, I brake and the back end swings right luckily nothing coming the opposite way, now that wouldn’t have happened in a FWD, I was not expecting to come across a snail so you could say it’s my fault for not being psychic.
I'm not saying the S is a dangerous drive; it just has more potential of becoming one more than 90% of cars/drivers on the road.
And as an true example near my home is a long left hander I know what speed I can use safely to go round, half way round there’s a gray hair doing 15 yes 15! mph in front, I brake and the back end swings right luckily nothing coming the opposite way, now that wouldn’t have happened in a FWD, I was not expecting to come across a snail so you could say it’s my fault for not being psychic.
I'm not saying the S is a dangerous drive; it just has more potential of becoming one more than 90% of cars/drivers on the road.
And you are a magistrate? 
God help us. Do you need to pass some sort of stupidity test?
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02-25-2011, 02:18 AM
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I hate to say this, but I do agree with H57.
Not so much the way he said it, but certainly the sentiment.
The S isn't any more dangerous than any other car when driven sensibly.
I have driven with kids in the car and I make a point of not overdriving my line of visibility and driving like a granny.
When I carry a child in the street I walk more carefully than I would normally, I'll be more careful on stairs and on kerbs.
When people see me carrying a child they tend to offer a wide birth and be a little more polite when holding doors.
It’s the same principle in a car, and a good reason to have a 'baby on board' sticker.
Not so much the way he said it, but certainly the sentiment.
The S isn't any more dangerous than any other car when driven sensibly.
I have driven with kids in the car and I make a point of not overdriving my line of visibility and driving like a granny.
When I carry a child in the street I walk more carefully than I would normally, I'll be more careful on stairs and on kerbs.
When people see me carrying a child they tend to offer a wide birth and be a little more polite when holding doors.
It’s the same principle in a car, and a good reason to have a 'baby on board' sticker.
02-25-2011, 02:19 AM
#44
Originally Posted by richmc,Feb 25 2011, 10:52 AM
You would be surprised what we agree on Dan, I can agree with you but still know what’s being said is incorrect or wrong. I come across cases of antisocial behaviour and would dearly like to hand down the sort of punishment I would have had as a youngster, but I can't do that.
I agree that having your youngster easily visible is less of a distraction than having to turn around. But the folly of the law makes it your responsibility to make sure your passengers behave appropriately, as if you have complete control over another person, if your daughter had a tummy upset and you were driving to the doctor there are all manner of distractions that could take place she could be sick for example. Now that isn't your fault but if it caused you to be distracted and crash then it would be your fault in law, I'm not saying I agree with that it's just there.
The stupidity of English law is it's inconsistency, you can walk away with a fine for killing another person on the road. But if you have 81mg/100ml alcohol in your bloodstream you are banned for 12 months no question or argument, if you have 79mg/100ml you walk free no prosecution. no flexibility or mitigation. (my opinion is one drop don’t drive).
As for the likelihood of having an accident in the S that’s where we will disagree, it has a loose back end, it's very powerful for its weight, it's getting cheaper, it's very geo/tyre sensitive. Road conditions in the UK don't favour it, poorly maintained roads lack of adequate snow/ice clearance etc. And how many bent it/bust it/rolled it threads do we see?
And as an true example near my home is a long left hander I know what speed I can use safely to go round, half way round there’s a gray hair doing 15 yes 15! mph in front, I brake and the back end swings right luckily nothing coming the opposite way, now that wouldn’t have happened in a FWD, I was not expecting to come across a snail so you could say it’s my fault for not being psychic.
I'm not saying the S is a dangerous drive; it just has more potential of becoming one more than 90% of cars/drivers on the road.
I agree that having your youngster easily visible is less of a distraction than having to turn around. But the folly of the law makes it your responsibility to make sure your passengers behave appropriately, as if you have complete control over another person, if your daughter had a tummy upset and you were driving to the doctor there are all manner of distractions that could take place she could be sick for example. Now that isn't your fault but if it caused you to be distracted and crash then it would be your fault in law, I'm not saying I agree with that it's just there.
The stupidity of English law is it's inconsistency, you can walk away with a fine for killing another person on the road. But if you have 81mg/100ml alcohol in your bloodstream you are banned for 12 months no question or argument, if you have 79mg/100ml you walk free no prosecution. no flexibility or mitigation. (my opinion is one drop don’t drive).
As for the likelihood of having an accident in the S that’s where we will disagree, it has a loose back end, it's very powerful for its weight, it's getting cheaper, it's very geo/tyre sensitive. Road conditions in the UK don't favour it, poorly maintained roads lack of adequate snow/ice clearance etc. And how many bent it/bust it/rolled it threads do we see?
And as an true example near my home is a long left hander I know what speed I can use safely to go round, half way round there’s a gray hair doing 15 yes 15! mph in front, I brake and the back end swings right luckily nothing coming the opposite way, now that wouldn’t have happened in a FWD, I was not expecting to come across a snail so you could say it’s my fault for not being psychic.
I'm not saying the S is a dangerous drive; it just has more potential of becoming one more than 90% of cars/drivers on the road.
You've clearly made up you mind based on preconceived, ill-considered and inaccurate ideas. If you ever actually do get involved in legal proceedings as a magistrate i hope that you actually listen.
02-25-2011, 02:22 AM
#46
Originally Posted by Rob88,Feb 25 2011, 11:18 AM
I hate to say this, but I do agree with H57.
Not so much the way he said it, but certainly the sentiment.
The S isn't any more dangerous than any other car when driven sensibly.
I have driven with kids in the car and I make a point of not overdriving my line of visibility and driving like a granny.
When I carry a child in the street I walk more carefully than I would normally, I'll be more careful on stairs and on kerbs.
When people see me carrying a child they tend to offer a wide birth and be a little more polite when holding doors.
It’s the same principle in a car, and a good reason to have a 'baby on board' sticker.
Not so much the way he said it, but certainly the sentiment.
The S isn't any more dangerous than any other car when driven sensibly.
I have driven with kids in the car and I make a point of not overdriving my line of visibility and driving like a granny.
When I carry a child in the street I walk more carefully than I would normally, I'll be more careful on stairs and on kerbs.
When people see me carrying a child they tend to offer a wide birth and be a little more polite when holding doors.
It’s the same principle in a car, and a good reason to have a 'baby on board' sticker.
Oh and 'baby on board' should read 'may drive like a total twunt due to lack of attention etc.
02-25-2011, 02:26 AM
#49
Lets just put this into perspective.
In normal driving the S2000 is no more and no less dangerous than any other car on the road.
You can legally and safely fit a forward facing car seat in the front seat.
If you fit a forward facing car seat, there is no need to disable the airbag.
If you carry a child who is physically safe (strong enough neck etc) to sit in a forward facing child seat that is properly attached by seatbelt into the passenger seat of the car I simply fail to see how this is any different to carrying a child in a child seat in any other car that is fitted in the same manner.
This thread seems to be turning into internet hysteria whipped up by our resident opinionated, regularly inaccurate, self proclaimed magistrate who has based his views on a random case for which he has given few details.
In normal driving the S2000 is no more and no less dangerous than any other car on the road.
You can legally and safely fit a forward facing car seat in the front seat.
If you fit a forward facing car seat, there is no need to disable the airbag.
If you carry a child who is physically safe (strong enough neck etc) to sit in a forward facing child seat that is properly attached by seatbelt into the passenger seat of the car I simply fail to see how this is any different to carrying a child in a child seat in any other car that is fitted in the same manner.
This thread seems to be turning into internet hysteria whipped up by our resident opinionated, regularly inaccurate, self proclaimed magistrate who has based his views on a random case for which he has given few details.
02-25-2011, 02:28 AM
#50
Just like every other forum in that case?
It's the standard of driving on the road that is the issue in most cases whether it be cause or ultimate effect.
That said it's such a low car and the ride is so stiff, I'm not sure i'd want anyone under 'fairground ride height' sat in the passenger seat.
It's the standard of driving on the road that is the issue in most cases whether it be cause or ultimate effect.
That said it's such a low car and the ride is so stiff, I'm not sure i'd want anyone under 'fairground ride height' sat in the passenger seat.