Cobblers. There have been innumerable posts of fast driving, and provided they show a degree of consideration for conditions and other road users, they are rarely criticised. OTOH bellends, on road and track are usually quite rightly derided.


You have absolutely no way of knowing that and really should accept that you made a ridiculous generalisation.

 

I typed a paragraph but I'm just not in the mood tonight - sorry guys. I'll rise another time

 

it has nothing to do with being baited, as you are well aware

it's about having the good grace to accept you made a wild sweeping statement, without enough evidence to back it up

putting your hands over your ears will just make it look even more ill-judged

 

Damn

 

Gad, your entire case rests on the fact that I cannot prove my statement (which was always the case as it cannot realistically be proven no matter what resource you chuck at it). Your case however cannot be proven either. You cannot categorically or even logically prove that this statement, "The bottom line however is that few of the keyboard heros could get out there and do a better job." is not true. I believe it to be - IME a lot of forum users are not very good drivers but they do talk a good game. Myself included by the way - I can talk better than I can walk.

 

Why would you want to do a "better" job? What's "better" anyway?

Drive faster? Or drift it? Or take a hairpin sideways (ie from the beginning, not just on the exit?

Or just be "better" at being a reckless idiot?

 

I'm not the one making wild claims

I'm challenging yours

If you feel that load of waffle justifies your 99% statement I'm very happy to leave it at that

And let people judge for themselves

 

Graham you are nit-picking now. The fact remains that I, like many people here, have been a long standing member of a number of performance car enthusiast boards and when a fast road driving video is posted it is nearly always the same reaction and in this order:

1. "What an idiot", "driving fast is for the track", "There could have been a broken down tractor round that bend"

Followed shortly by:

2. "LOL, he is clueless", "Look at the way he steers, his hand position is all wrong!", "he's in the wrong gear for turn 3, 18 and 27!", "At 1:15s he turns in too early and misses the apex, what an amateur"

In certain cases you get some technology specific stuff in position 3 such as, "Hmmm, he's not letting the AYC work", "He's fully dissengaged the stability system, that system is there for a reason!", etc.

IME the majority of these posters find it all to easy to sit at their computer and criticise another driver and yet they probably drive to work the next day at 70mph 2m off the bumper of the car in front smuggly remembering how dangerous the driver they viewed last night was and how safe a driver they are. Then on those rare occassions they actually do drive fast they make a pigs ear of it, don't practise what they preached on the w.w.w. and end up on Carpers list or relevant other list on other forums. Obviously this is a generalisation - it has to be as I can't assess the driving abilities of every keyboard critic but its my perception of things and I'm sticking to it.

As an aside for those that have posted in this thread I'm not saying this guy is more talented than you - I don't know that. I'm just saying that generally I feel too many people get on their high horse without looking inwards first and their own driving, their own skill and their own attitudes to risk

 

indeed he is a nutter but he's also quite decent

 

I should point out I don't think he's that much of a nutter - I've followed Jocks that have carried speed beyond the distance in which they can see and stop through corners - most of us do it whether we a) realise or b) admit it to ourselves. It's certainly not in the same league of 'nutterness' as M5 vs RS4 or M5 in prague (or wherever the hell it was) or that Ghostrider fello! (in fairness to him he's both mad and REALLY talented )