Potential S2000 on Ebay! :D
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The point I make is based on English law (ie issues of representation) which eBay is compelled to comply with, hence my final comment re rules of contract.
Agree that the great unwashed on ebay will struggle with some of the simpler points of 'agreements' - shyster city in the wild west that place is
Agree that the great unwashed on ebay will struggle with some of the simpler points of 'agreements' - shyster city in the wild west that place is
Obviously if something doesn't fit the description you don't have to still purchase.
I'm just saying typically on Ebay if you bid you enter a contract to buy, if the goods don't fit the description you raise a case against the seller but if you never pay Ebay would be able to close your account potentially.
When bidding on a car on ebay you don't have to ever bother showing up for it, you can just decide you don't want to buy it. So placing a bid on a car on ebay is completely risk free, it's not a commitment to buy even if it matches the description and appears to have no faults.
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From: ...by a lake...somewhere
I see what you are saying. Your original comment 'The description could be absolutely accurate, you could inspect before bidding, bid and win then say no I don't want it and you aren't subject to the same eBay terms and conditions as with other goods' was interpreted as it gave buyers carte blanche to renege on an agreement, which it appears to do. This would be an absolute minefield.
Can you point me to this unique set of terms in ebay's agreement in respect of cars. I need to have a look, purely for my own perversion.
Can you point me to this unique set of terms in ebay's agreement in respect of cars. I need to have a look, purely for my own perversion.
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That's not an eBay specific rule, that's a contractual understanding for all purchases. You buy on the basis of a description. If the item doesn't (reasonably, which widens things) meet the description then the contract ends.
An extreme example, you buy an excellent quality lamp and it's a banana. A lesser example, you buy an excellent quality lamp and it's not excellent quality. But it is a lamp.
EBay is based on historic English rules of contract, not the other way around.
An extreme example, you buy an excellent quality lamp and it's a banana. A lesser example, you buy an excellent quality lamp and it's not excellent quality. But it is a lamp.
EBay is based on historic English rules of contract, not the other way around.
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From: ...by a lake...somewhere
Originally Posted by cheshire_carper' timestamp='1412996039' post='23365363
That's not an eBay specific rule, that's a contractual understanding for all purchases. You buy on the basis of a description. If the item doesn't (reasonably, which widens things) meet the description then the contract ends.
An extreme example, you buy an excellent quality lamp and it's a banana. A lesser example, you buy an excellent quality lamp and it's not excellent quality. But it is a lamp.
EBay is based on historic English rules of contract, not the other way around.
An extreme example, you buy an excellent quality lamp and it's a banana. A lesser example, you buy an excellent quality lamp and it's not excellent quality. But it is a lamp.
EBay is based on historic English rules of contract, not the other way around.
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I haven't looked into it in a long time, but I do remember there being some difference between an ebay "auction" and an ebay "car advert" (I.e 'classifieds ads') So actually think the whole sold as seen thing comes from the latter, but if done as the former it's under the standard ebay auction rules? Or maybe I've got it round the wrong way. Or maybe it's changed since.
Back to the OP - Just like any other private car purchase, just inspect it and do your homework and you'll be fine - and if it explodes 2 days after you buy it, it's nobody's fault but your own
Back to the OP - Just like any other private car purchase, just inspect it and do your homework and you'll be fine - and if it explodes 2 days after you buy it, it's nobody's fault but your own
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From: ...by a lake...somewhere
I haven't looked into it in a long time, but I do remember there being some difference between an ebay "auction" and an ebay "car advert" (I.e 'classifieds ads') So actually think the whole sold as seen thing comes from the latter, but if done as the former it's under the standard ebay auction rules? Or maybe I've got it round the wrong way. Or maybe it's changed since.
Back to the OP - Just like any other private car purchase, just inspect it and do your homework and you'll be fine - and if it explodes 2 days after you buy it, it's nobody's fault but your own
Back to the OP - Just like any other private car purchase, just inspect it and do your homework and you'll be fine - and if it explodes 2 days after you buy it, it's nobody's fault but your own
I would appreciate any reader pointing me to the terms which deal with the point PhillipGB has stated above in relation to specific terms and conditions which apply to ebay car sales only.
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That particular car is on an eBay classified ad, eBay state-
Classified Ads connect buyers and sellers, who then complete the sale outside of eBay. You'll see 'Classified Ad' in the item listing and search results.
Benefits:
You can find items or services that don't fit into standard categories.
You can deal personally with the seller.
Considerations:
Classified Ad sales aren't backed by eBay services and protection, including Feedback and eBay Money Back Guarantee.
Classified Ads are offered only for certain items.
So it's just like any other private car sale, just using eBay instead of the local rag or Autotrader, if the seller were to be a commercial trader you would have the protection of trading standards, as a private seller you have very little protection.
http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/buy/formats.html
Classified Ads connect buyers and sellers, who then complete the sale outside of eBay. You'll see 'Classified Ad' in the item listing and search results.
Benefits:
You can find items or services that don't fit into standard categories.
You can deal personally with the seller.
Considerations:
Classified Ad sales aren't backed by eBay services and protection, including Feedback and eBay Money Back Guarantee.
Classified Ads are offered only for certain items.
So it's just like any other private car sale, just using eBay instead of the local rag or Autotrader, if the seller were to be a commercial trader you would have the protection of trading standards, as a private seller you have very little protection.
http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/buy/formats.html
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From: ...by a lake...somewhere
Exactly the point I originally made. Purchasing a car is a contractual agreement and I find it obscure that as suggested above, one can commit to an agreement then renege on the said for no valid reason at all. That is completely at odds with the law of contract.
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Wow this thread blew up haha 
Thanks for all the replies much appreciated! Been really busy this weekend so not had time to focus on the s2000 (damn being on call for work!) Just emailed the seller with a few questions on the geo situation, service history etc etc so i'll wait to see what comes from that!
@richmc - Yeah i've done all my research on the costings im fully aware of how much it will be, I've currently got a Fiesta ST and the only major difference in price will be the change from normal unleaded to v-power and the tax, My round trip to work is like 16 miles so its not so bad. CHecked insurance too, it's expensive yeah but i can afford it (Annoyingly its more expensive for a GT model which with a hardtop is technically safer?!?!? retarded!)
The pain is the fact that i'd have to sell my car as well but i need it for work so im just a little stuck on what to do =\
Thanks for all the replies much appreciated! Been really busy this weekend so not had time to focus on the s2000 (damn being on call for work!) Just emailed the seller with a few questions on the geo situation, service history etc etc so i'll wait to see what comes from that! @richmc - Yeah i've done all my research on the costings im fully aware of how much it will be, I've currently got a Fiesta ST and the only major difference in price will be the change from normal unleaded to v-power and the tax, My round trip to work is like 16 miles so its not so bad. CHecked insurance too, it's expensive yeah but i can afford it (Annoyingly its more expensive for a GT model which with a hardtop is technically safer?!?!? retarded!)
The pain is the fact that i'd have to sell my car as well but i need it for work so im just a little stuck on what to do =\