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Old May 17, 2012 | 02:06 AM
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Hi guys,

I have had a custom setup for a while now on my 3rd one, last time i told the guys to go with:

Front Camber: 1°15'
Front Toe: 0°0'
Castor: 6°

However it has eaten the inner side of the front tyres quite quickly and it wasn't vastly different to what i had before when it didn't eat the tyres. Its maybe obvious to some but is it the Front camber i need to adjust to reduce tyre wear???

I do want better handling but not at the expensive of greatly increased tyre wear.

I went with these settings on the rear, which are fine:

Rear Camber: 1°45'
Rear Toe: 0°18'

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What settings to i go with on the 'front', to still retain better handling but not heavy tyre wear?

What are the OEM settings?

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Old May 17, 2012 | 02:19 AM
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OEM settings are in the FAQ.

1deg is generally considered "above average" for a road car, so 1deg15' is a bit much IMO.

Generally it's toe that causes wear, it may be that your geo place had not had it's equipment calibrated before doing your car.

I run 1deg front and 2deg rear for camber
Caster 6deg10'
0 deg front and 20' each side rear toe

Tyres usually last between 7-9k miles including track days and changing them at 3mm.
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Old May 17, 2012 | 03:00 AM
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Thanks LG, looked at the FAQ geo setting mine are quite a bit different.

I'm going with

Front:

Front Camber: 0°15'
Front Toe: 0°0'
Castor: 6°15'

My concern is because I'm not clue'd up on geometry, if i change the front it may have a negative effect on the rear?

Is the above okay?

What do you suggest LG? - as i say i want a 'bit' better handling, turn in a little sharper, a fast road without silly tyre wear.
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Old May 17, 2012 | 03:08 AM
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another option to combat tyre wear would be to have a tyre shop swap the front tyres over, most places will swap and balance 2 tyres for £20
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Old May 17, 2012 | 03:09 AM
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For sharper turn-in you really need more camber, not less, minimum 0°30' I'd say (and 1°00' works well enough for OEM and me). Adding more castor will give you more camber on turn-in but not when you are going in a straight line, so may be a solution, though it does affect the steering feel.

But you are right, geo settings affect the balance of the car, so you need to think about that too.

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Old May 17, 2012 | 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by s2konroids
Thanks LG, looked at the FAQ geo setting mine are quite a bit different.

I'm going with

Front:

Front Camber: 0°15'
Front Toe: 0°0'
Castor: 6°15'

My concern is because I'm not clue'd up on geometry, if i change the front it may have a negative effect on the rear?

Is the above okay?

What do you suggest LG? - as i say i want a 'bit' better handling, turn in a little sharper, a fast road without silly tyre wear.
Way too little camber imo, unless oyu only drive fast in straight lines.

Have you ever had the car corner weighted? You have a lot of overhanging mass over your front tyres with all that supercharger gubbins, and that won't help.

But the geo you had shouldn't be eating tyres that much.
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Old May 17, 2012 | 04:31 AM
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Thanks Chaps,

Okay going with (FRONT)

Front Camber: 1°00'
Front Toe: 0°0'
Castor: 6°15'

Is the above in the right format? e.g front camber 1 deg?

MB, i don't think i can have my car corner weighted? as i don't have adjustable coilovers. However on the front because of weight saving's I've done i reckon I've negated a lot of it (it doesn't feel as heavy as it used to) but understand your point
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Originally Posted by s2konroids
Thanks Chaps,

Okay going with (FRONT)

Front Camber: 1°00'
Front Toe: 0°0'
Castor: 6°15'

Is the above in the right format? e.g front camber 1 deg?

MB, i don't think i can have my car corner weighted? as i don't have adjustable coilovers. However on the front because of weight saving's I've done i reckon I've negated a lot of it (it doesn't feel as heavy as it used to) but understand your point
Looks sensible to me (roughly what I have) and the format is good.
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Old May 17, 2012 | 05:44 AM
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Ah, thought you had coilovers.
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Old May 17, 2012 | 06:30 AM
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Sorry to hijack your thread for a minute but i've got a quick question about rear toe that someone may be able to answer.

I've been talking to Tony @ WIM this week about s2000 settings as I'm about to polybush my rear toe arms and he has recommended running next to no rear toe if you have polybushed or uprated toe arms and sticky tyres.

He recommended running 0.06' each side just to get a bit of heat into the tyres. When I asked why, as the stock figure is quite high he said that rear toe is just a compliance angle so with uprated bushes it's not required as much.

What's everyones opinion on this before I get it set up at the weekend?
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