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Old May 29, 2014 | 11:53 AM
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Default Running dangerously Lean?

I have done a fair bit of searching but I'm still not sure of the answer and want to be sure...

I have recently fitted:
K&N FIPK
Decat
J's racing twin titanium exhaust

My lambda sensor fell apart tonight when removing the cat so I am currently running without one...

Will this be an issue?

I was going to replace the sensor but am I better off fitting a wideband AFR?

Also will I be alright long term without fitting an aftermarket ECU? I am going to Europe/the 'ring in 5 weeks time so fitting an ECU and mapping before hand isn't really viable unless you think it's a must to be safe....

Any input would be massively appreciated guys, the last thing I want is my engine going pop before my euro trip, or even worse, in Europe!

Cheers, Jake
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Old May 29, 2014 | 12:04 PM
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With the standard manifold still on there there's nothing to worry about. It's really only after fitting a decent manifold you'd risk it.
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Old May 29, 2014 | 12:08 PM
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The Cat sensor is the secondary sensor and is only there to monitor AFR changes to see that the CAT is working. The main AFR sensor is in the manifold.

I run a AEM V2, decat and a tanabe exhaust and my car see's alot of trackdays and i have suffered no problems. I think if you change the manifold its more of an issue. You could get a sensor from rockauto like i did. If you do a search you should have some joy.

You can get a wideband O2 sensors that simulate narrowband but its going to cost you £200 and then the installation and the electrics that need to be done. Its all abit pointless IMO unless your going to get an aftermarket ecu in the near future.

I have had an engine blow before on another car when the standard O2 sensor failed in the rich position. It was a combination of factors of me having a superchip running more ignition advance and an ECU thinking it was running rich all the time and leaning out the mixture. I ended up splitting a liner whilst driving at about 60 under light throttle.

Run decent fuel and you will be fine
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Old May 29, 2014 | 12:23 PM
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Cheers guys.
In that case I will just replace the O2 sensor and carry on happy.
I thought that would be the answer but as I will be doing 1200 miles in a week and going around the 'ring it seemed silly not to ask!

My plan is to change the manifold for a J's racing one but I guess that will wait until I get an AEM ECU and can do it safely

Cheers again, Jake

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Old May 29, 2014 | 02:26 PM
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Running lean also saves on fuel!
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Old May 31, 2014 | 06:22 PM
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Has anyone done back to back runs isolating the manifold with a stock ECU? I didn't think so.

If you look at a standard AFR, you'll see in the low 14s as you get to VTEC and then mid 11s as you get to over 8000.

Here is a run with Brian crower cams and you can see that with Brian Crower stage 2 and stock there is hardly any change in max afr, and that is CAMS, bollocks to your manifold.

https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/851...ms-13whp-gain/

Believe what you want, but the proof is out there.
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