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Old 07-17-2017, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Booti
when I say understeer, the front or steering seems to feel very light if you try to increase speed through the corner. If you lift off in the corner, it feels like it pitches forward and the rear goes light.
i honestly can't say about left and right turns. Never thought to compare.. certainly noticed on left turns as per the example sliproad given earlier.

Didnt know we had passive rear steering
from what people have said a recheck on the geo deffinately seems the first thing to check, then go from there.
That's exactly it, as I've described just above.
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Originally Posted by chrispayze
No, it's not the diff. It's the rear suspension geometry that is set up to toe a little further in under load (on throttle stability), but has the opposite effect of toeing a little further out under less load (off throttle nervousness). It's exactly what is being described above.

Some like it, generally confident drivers, but it can catch some drivers unawares. And some (like me) just don't like it being THAT adjustable on the throttle. Hardrace (or similar) rear toe arms solve it, as they bring the toe arms more parallel with the wishbones and pretty much eliminate the passive RWS.
That's very interesting, and the first time I've ever read that about the car.
Can wear on some parts exaggerate this effect?
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Verify the tires are mounted correctly. These are asymmetric tires and the word OUTSIDE should be visible on all four of them. Unlikely error but known to happen.

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Originally Posted by GC84
That's very interesting, and the first time I've ever read that about the car.
Can wear on some parts exaggerate this effect?
Generally, imprecision of geometry will be greater as the bushes wear, especially under load.
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Old 07-18-2017, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck S
Verify the tires are mounted correctly. These are asymmetric tires and the word OUTSIDE should be visible on all four of them. Unlikely error but known to happen.

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yes all the tyres are fitted correctly.

Originally Posted by chrispayze
Generally, imprecision of geometry will be greater as the bushes wear, especially under load.
would this be a specific bush then, or is the wear on the toe arm? As I say all the bottom arm bushes have been changed?
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Off-topic, but whereabouts in manchester are you?
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Off-topic, but whereabouts in manchester are you?
Bury area
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Originally Posted by Booti
would this be a specific bush then, or is the wear on the toe arm? As I say all the bottom arm bushes have been changed?
My guess would be that it's not the major contributor, but the rear toe arms do have rubber bushes in which could be worn, but you'd notice their deflection more during bumps (bump steer, rather than throttle steer which is due to the angle of the control arm inducing toe in/out).
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I'd get someone else to have a drive and see what they think - The NW crew are probably your best bet on that front.
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Originally Posted by Booti
Bury area
Practically round the corner, I'm in Heywood.


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