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Originally Posted by m1bjr,Sep 21 2007, 04:25 PM
Just wondering if you gents can comment on the factory handling (subjective I know).
After 30 seconds in the car... "You really need to get your geo done, it understeers something evil"
You know what.... he was right...
The difference is not subtle.
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Originally Posted by Gaspode,Sep 21 2007, 05:34 PM
After 30 seconds in the car... "You really need to get your geo done, it understeers something evil"
Is that why Chris put slightly (is ~4' slighty?) more negative camber on your front and back (taking it outside the Honda "guidelines"), than I'm running with.
I bought my car 2nd hand, and when Chris initially measured it the camber on the rear wasn't balanced and the toe on the front wasn't either. He actually said that it's handling would have been potentially dangerous!
After he worked his magic it feels like a different car, so be interesting if Andy Walsh thinks mine is understeery too.
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Well... if he doesn't mention it when he is driving around the cones, ask Andy what he thinks of the handling....
Just to be clear here.... I went to Car Limits first, then CofG to get sorted out.
As I posted earlier - I told Chris.. A bit of motorway traffic to work, but I bought the car to go really go round country roads a lot - I want it to handle like a demon, and a few track days a year"
Chris had a Eureka moment from what I was saying and said "I know exactly what settings I'm going to give you".
Chris will tune the setup to whatever information you pass onto him.
Comparing charts... you are pretty damn close to my setup...
The 0 04 is as near as spot on.
The castor is different but that's likely due to the info each of gave Chris.
Just to be clear here.... I went to Car Limits first, then CofG to get sorted out.
As I posted earlier - I told Chris.. A bit of motorway traffic to work, but I bought the car to go really go round country roads a lot - I want it to handle like a demon, and a few track days a year"
Chris had a Eureka moment from what I was saying and said "I know exactly what settings I'm going to give you".
Chris will tune the setup to whatever information you pass onto him.
Comparing charts... you are pretty damn close to my setup...
The 0 04 is as near as spot on.
The castor is different but that's likely due to the info each of gave Chris.
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The one thing that I have noticed since having mine done is that when braking heavily it does not weave all over the place like it did previously.
The reduced castor setting has made the steering a little lighter and you do get more feel, the down side is that it has a tendency to tram line a little more, but in a fairly predictable and controllable manner.
The rear does feel different when pushing really hard. Previously I had a fairly neutral camber setting and I had got used to how the car handled with that set up. It's hard for me to explain really, but before it tended to gently slide out when pushing on, but now it goes so far then feels like it is sitting bolt upright on the rear wheel that is taking all the load. Took me by surprise the first time it did it and will take me a while to adjust to it, but because of the weather recently I haven't had the opportunity to really explore it enough. As mentioned previously I think you feel the rear wheel steer a bit more, although this could be heightened by the fact that I have poly bushes fitted.
Turn in at the front feels great, really pointy and is now what I would expect a sports car to do. I have induced a little under steer, but only a minimal amount and this was when the rear was loading up as described above, probably an early warning sign that you are approaching the limit and no doubt due to the increased rear grip, although I could be wrong.
The reduced castor setting has made the steering a little lighter and you do get more feel, the down side is that it has a tendency to tram line a little more, but in a fairly predictable and controllable manner.
The rear does feel different when pushing really hard. Previously I had a fairly neutral camber setting and I had got used to how the car handled with that set up. It's hard for me to explain really, but before it tended to gently slide out when pushing on, but now it goes so far then feels like it is sitting bolt upright on the rear wheel that is taking all the load. Took me by surprise the first time it did it and will take me a while to adjust to it, but because of the weather recently I haven't had the opportunity to really explore it enough. As mentioned previously I think you feel the rear wheel steer a bit more, although this could be heightened by the fact that I have poly bushes fitted.
Turn in at the front feels great, really pointy and is now what I would expect a sports car to do. I have induced a little under steer, but only a minimal amount and this was when the rear was loading up as described above, probably an early warning sign that you are approaching the limit and no doubt due to the increased rear grip, although I could be wrong.
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Originally Posted by LTB,Sep 21 2007, 10:27 AM
The one thing that I have noticed since having mine done is that when braking heavily it does not weave all over the place like it did previously.
The reduced castor setting has made the steering a little lighter and you do get more feel, the down side is that it has a tendency to tram line a little more, but in a fairly predictable and controllable manner.
The rear does feel different when pushing really hard. Previously I had a fairly neutral camber setting and I had got used to how the car handled with that set up. It's hard for me to explain really, but before it tended to gently slide out when pushing on, but now it goes so far then feels like it is sitting bolt upright on the rear wheel that is taking all the load. Took me by surprise the first time it did it and will take me a while to adjust to it, but because of the weather recently I haven't had the opportunity to really explore it enough. As mentioned previously I think you feel the rear wheel steer a bit more, although this could be heightened by the fact that I have poly bushes fitted.
Turn in at the front feels great, really pointy and is now what I would expect a sports car to do. I have induced a little under steer, but only a minimal amount and this was when the rear was loading up as described above, probably an early warning sign that you are approaching the limit and no doubt due to the increased rear grip, although I could be wrong.
The reduced castor setting has made the steering a little lighter and you do get more feel, the down side is that it has a tendency to tram line a little more, but in a fairly predictable and controllable manner.
The rear does feel different when pushing really hard. Previously I had a fairly neutral camber setting and I had got used to how the car handled with that set up. It's hard for me to explain really, but before it tended to gently slide out when pushing on, but now it goes so far then feels like it is sitting bolt upright on the rear wheel that is taking all the load. Took me by surprise the first time it did it and will take me a while to adjust to it, but because of the weather recently I haven't had the opportunity to really explore it enough. As mentioned previously I think you feel the rear wheel steer a bit more, although this could be heightened by the fact that I have poly bushes fitted.
Turn in at the front feels great, really pointy and is now what I would expect a sports car to do. I have induced a little under steer, but only a minimal amount and this was when the rear was loading up as described above, probably an early warning sign that you are approaching the limit and no doubt due to the increased rear grip, although I could be wrong.
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Originally Posted by JD_S2k,Sep 21 2007, 10:35 PM
Would you mind posting or PM'ing me your full setting? (as above pics). I have the same MY as you and would like "fast road settings". But I can't get down to CG for a couple of months. Thanks
I don't think that admin is his strong point.
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