MeisterR Auto Solo Result after suspension swap.
08-02-2015, 05:14 AM
#22
This is only meant to be a light hearted exercise... entertainment if you will.
We just want to help competitors achieve better and win, just every competitors want to win when going into competition.
Faster or Slower don't make a huge difference, just interesting to see the result and I will post it either way.
If I was to make sure MeisterR win, I would of made the post after the event to ensure favourable result.
Anyways, I am off to the track now... wish us luck (or bad luck if you are on the other side of the fence).
Jerrick
08-06-2015, 11:26 PM
#23
The result are in, and it was very close racing!
Lucio finish the day 3rd in the SCCA STR class the fastest time of 53.244, only 0.012 second behind 2nd place!
The first 3 place in the class was separated by less than 0.2 seconds...
Lucio time also made him the fastest S2000 of the day, with a 13th overall in raw time.
Pretty respectable considering he is only 6.5 seconds behind the 1st place, and that was a fully prep Racing Go-Kart.
Another interesting thing was we had 2 driver that day using the same car.
Lucio was number 14 who finish 3rd, and Landon who was number 114 and finished 4th.
It was interesting to see as both driver have different preference, so both found the best suspension setting that suit their driving style.
They also tired out each other suspension setting to give a comparison but it was Lucio who was just a little faster in the end.
The next car down is almost 2 seconds behind, so the front runner are fast compare to the rest of the group.
Objective Result
As Auto Solo track layout changes at every event, it is difficult to compare raw track time.
The best way to compare is to use average time between driver who attended both event, so that is what we will do.
In SCCA, each time you hit a cone you add 2 seconds penalty to your total time.
Lucio time in round 7 was 55.297 after a 4 second penalty, so his raw track time was 51.297 which would of place him in 3rd place in the STR class.
We will use the raw time for comparison.
Round 7 (raw time 51.297)
STR class average: 53.76 (beat average by 2.46 seconds).
Total average: 56.65 (beat average by 5.35 seconds).
Round 8 (raw time 53.244)
STR class average: 55.90 (beat average by 2.65 seconds).
Total average: 58.93 (beat average by 5.68 seconds).
Difference between round 7 and round 8
STR class average: 0.19 seconds improvement
Total Average: 0.33 seconds improvement
So all in all, an improvement but wasn’t catastrophic.
The biggest difference was getting 3 clean runs in round 8 vs no clean run in round 7.
The clean run make a huge difference to the final result.
Lucio was ranked 13th overall in round 8, but ranked 65th overall in round 7 just to show the difference.
Subjective Feedback
Getting feedback from Lucio after the end of the day, here is what he have to say:
The car was tested on the street and the 90% of the set up was clean, the remaining 10% set up are based on driver preference.
It was cool to see how Landon and I were able to select different set up to suit our driving preference on the same car, and really show how much difference a few clicks on the damper made to the overall dynamic.
My driving is pretty aggressive and I was able to maintain the car ON the track with just one penalty on the first run Vs the previous race where I was not able to obtain a clean run in the all day.
Adjusting the suspension to a softer setting for the 45 minute drive home was also impressive.
I was not used to have a comfortable feeling in this car and at one point I visually checked the tire's pressure to see if everything was fine.
The best proof was my 16 years old daughter in the passenger seat who does not have a lot of experience in sport car felt comfortable enough to take a nap during the driving home.
Overall, it has been a big improvement and I am please with the result.
Conclusion
So that is it, an improvement but not a huge amount as expected.
Auto-Solo only give about 60 seconds worth of track time and speed aren’t fast, so a lot of importance are place on the tyres and how much traction it can generate.
The S2000 never made it out of second gear on the day, and this type of tight track favour the lighter MX5 / Miata.
To be able to keep up with cars that is 500lbs lighter is quite an impressive achievement given the fact that there aren’t enough “straight” to allow the S2000 to use it’s upper power band.
I hope this was an interesting read, and we certainly enjoy the experience working with the driver.
3rd place finish aren’t back, but we will hope to see 1st place in the future.
Jerrick
Lucio finish the day 3rd in the SCCA STR class the fastest time of 53.244, only 0.012 second behind 2nd place!
The first 3 place in the class was separated by less than 0.2 seconds...
Lucio time also made him the fastest S2000 of the day, with a 13th overall in raw time.
Pretty respectable considering he is only 6.5 seconds behind the 1st place, and that was a fully prep Racing Go-Kart.
Another interesting thing was we had 2 driver that day using the same car.
Lucio was number 14 who finish 3rd, and Landon who was number 114 and finished 4th.
It was interesting to see as both driver have different preference, so both found the best suspension setting that suit their driving style.
They also tired out each other suspension setting to give a comparison but it was Lucio who was just a little faster in the end.
The next car down is almost 2 seconds behind, so the front runner are fast compare to the rest of the group.
Objective Result
As Auto Solo track layout changes at every event, it is difficult to compare raw track time.
The best way to compare is to use average time between driver who attended both event, so that is what we will do.
In SCCA, each time you hit a cone you add 2 seconds penalty to your total time.
Lucio time in round 7 was 55.297 after a 4 second penalty, so his raw track time was 51.297 which would of place him in 3rd place in the STR class.
We will use the raw time for comparison.
Round 7 (raw time 51.297)
STR class average: 53.76 (beat average by 2.46 seconds).
Total average: 56.65 (beat average by 5.35 seconds).
Round 8 (raw time 53.244)
STR class average: 55.90 (beat average by 2.65 seconds).
Total average: 58.93 (beat average by 5.68 seconds).
Difference between round 7 and round 8
STR class average: 0.19 seconds improvement
Total Average: 0.33 seconds improvement
So all in all, an improvement but wasn’t catastrophic.
The biggest difference was getting 3 clean runs in round 8 vs no clean run in round 7.
The clean run make a huge difference to the final result.
Lucio was ranked 13th overall in round 8, but ranked 65th overall in round 7 just to show the difference.
Subjective Feedback
Getting feedback from Lucio after the end of the day, here is what he have to say:
The car was tested on the street and the 90% of the set up was clean, the remaining 10% set up are based on driver preference.
It was cool to see how Landon and I were able to select different set up to suit our driving preference on the same car, and really show how much difference a few clicks on the damper made to the overall dynamic.
My driving is pretty aggressive and I was able to maintain the car ON the track with just one penalty on the first run Vs the previous race where I was not able to obtain a clean run in the all day.
Adjusting the suspension to a softer setting for the 45 minute drive home was also impressive.
I was not used to have a comfortable feeling in this car and at one point I visually checked the tire's pressure to see if everything was fine.
The best proof was my 16 years old daughter in the passenger seat who does not have a lot of experience in sport car felt comfortable enough to take a nap during the driving home.
Overall, it has been a big improvement and I am please with the result.
Conclusion
So that is it, an improvement but not a huge amount as expected.
Auto-Solo only give about 60 seconds worth of track time and speed aren’t fast, so a lot of importance are place on the tyres and how much traction it can generate.
The S2000 never made it out of second gear on the day, and this type of tight track favour the lighter MX5 / Miata.
To be able to keep up with cars that is 500lbs lighter is quite an impressive achievement given the fact that there aren’t enough “straight” to allow the S2000 to use it’s upper power band.
I hope this was an interesting read, and we certainly enjoy the experience working with the driver.
3rd place finish aren’t back, but we will hope to see 1st place in the future.
Jerrick
08-07-2015, 02:04 AM
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As Auto Solo track layout changes at every event, it is difficult to compare raw track time.<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">The best way to compare is to use average time between driver who attended both event, so that is what we will do.
08-07-2015, 02:07 AM
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Originally Posted by tron2k3' timestamp='1438938454' post='23707016
Was Round 7 and Round 8 the same track? as looking on the HouSCCA website they seem to be the same track and layout does that mean he was nearly 2 seconds slower in round 8?
As Auto Solo track layout changes at every event, it is difficult to compare raw track time.<br style="color: rgb(28, 40, 55); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19.5px; background-color: rgb(250, 251, 252);">The best way to compare is to use average time between driver who attended both event, so that is what we will do.
Didn't spot that.
08-07-2015, 03:24 AM
#27
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The only real way to test 2 suspension setups is same driver, same circuit, a lot of experience on that circuit (who can lap within 0.1 ish per lap) same car and a lot of experience with that car, and swapping them over and setting some laps on GPS.
Even then there's variables.
On the road, it's subjective, but you could dyno your competitors vs yours and show how the damping range is better suited etc.
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Even then there's variables.
On the road, it's subjective, but you could dyno your competitors vs yours and show how the damping range is better suited etc.
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08-07-2015, 06:40 AM
#28
The only real way to test 2 suspension setups is same driver, same circuit, a lot of experience on that circuit (who can lap within 0.1 ish per lap) same car and a lot of experience with that car, and swapping them over and setting some laps on GPS.
Even then there's variables.
On the road, it's subjective, but you could dyno your competitors vs yours and show how the damping range is better suited etc.
.
Even then there's variables.
On the road, it's subjective, but you could dyno your competitors vs yours and show how the damping range is better suited etc.
.
Even if you take out as many variable out as possible, there will still be a lot of variable in place.
Even if you run on the same day, by the time you make different run you will have air temp / track temp differences.
Sunday was HOT, it was over 40C and we were being burn alive on track!
The only time you can show difference is if there is a huge significant difference, and that mean you need a longer track which add more variable.
Even if you have damper dyno to compare, the situation will favours one over an other depending on how the car is setup.
You can have the 2 damper running the exact same figure, but one with higher cracking pressure will favour sticky tyres on track, while lower cracking pressure will favour road tyres on bumpy surfaces.
It is difficult, and as I have said this little exercise was never intended to prove anything.
It isn't even a objective comparison, it is just a bit of light hearted fun.
Jerrick
08-07-2015, 09:38 AM
#29
Glad to see you recognise that there was no objective test performed in your closing statement. Perhaps removing the bold section heading may also help others to recognise that. For the record, testing never proves anything, Any Tester will tell you that and could have saved you some time.
Interesting nonetheless but never getting out of 2nd doesn't sound fun
Interesting nonetheless but never getting out of 2nd doesn't sound fun
