Star Specs "The Tire" or affordable substitute.
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what about the fact that the car comes with extreme performance tires from the factory? why anyone would suggest to step down a grade is beyond me
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Originally Posted by ZOMG.S2K' timestamp='1330478099' post='21460729
No one has justified these for a daily driver yet, except one post mentioning an evasive maneuver which is quite a stretch.
Save a couple bucks and go with a cheaper and higher tread wear rated tire if your just DDing your car.
Save a couple bucks and go with a cheaper and higher tread wear rated tire if your just DDing your car.
By some logic in here, why would Honda, or any manufacturer for that matter equip their sports car / sports sedan with extreme summer tires?
Not many people who buy a Vette, 911, or BMW M3 for example track their cars.
I don't feel that these companies should just equip these cars with less aggressive tires because most people won't track the cars.
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Star Specs are a pretty good value considering price and performance, plus they look good. If you bring up the DD overkill argument, why drive an S, get a Yaris.
#24
The S deserves a top notch tire. It demands one that is stiff to maintain its proper handing character and with high traction, the chassis handles it. Skimping out on anything less then what they came with from the factory could be considered dangerous? If a tire is wanted that has a higher wear rating then factory, then at least go with a tire that is stiff/handles good. The S shows its distaste for cheap tires, sometimes very dramatically. In years past I've tried out a few more budget tires and took them right back once I drove on them.
#25
I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who is going to refute how amazing the star specs are. I mean, given the fan base, testimonials, and reviews, there's no doubt it's a solid tire for the price. But more important than the hardware, is your ability to utilize, or even control it.
But consider all the other things that you have to work with: Your budget, how long you need these tires to last, and your experience with RWD.
Regarding your experience with RWD, consider this: If you don't know how the many facets of how oversteer works, and how to control it, potentially you could be putting yourself at risk no matter what tire you're running. But the problem might even be slightly magnified as the ever-so-grippy star specs put you at a higher speed before breaking loose due to some driver input error.
I mean, instead of worrying about what's the best super-grippiest tire, think of it in a different light. What works best for your life, and will optimize your driving needs with the S for the lifespan of the tire during the time you'll be using them. After all, if this whole "give your S the BEST" gung-ho crap was true, then I'd expect a lot more people to be running slicks.
But consider all the other things that you have to work with: Your budget, how long you need these tires to last, and your experience with RWD.
Regarding your experience with RWD, consider this: If you don't know how the many facets of how oversteer works, and how to control it, potentially you could be putting yourself at risk no matter what tire you're running. But the problem might even be slightly magnified as the ever-so-grippy star specs put you at a higher speed before breaking loose due to some driver input error.
I mean, instead of worrying about what's the best super-grippiest tire, think of it in a different light. What works best for your life, and will optimize your driving needs with the S for the lifespan of the tire during the time you'll be using them. After all, if this whole "give your S the BEST" gung-ho crap was true, then I'd expect a lot more people to be running slicks.
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Originally Posted by s2kmiami69' timestamp='1330479713' post='21460822
[quote name='ZOMG.S2K' timestamp='1330478099' post='21460729']
No one has justified these for a daily driver yet, except one post mentioning an evasive maneuver which is quite a stretch.
Save a couple bucks and go with a cheaper and higher tread wear rated tire if your just DDing your car.
No one has justified these for a daily driver yet, except one post mentioning an evasive maneuver which is quite a stretch.
Save a couple bucks and go with a cheaper and higher tread wear rated tire if your just DDing your car.
By some logic in here, why would Honda, or any manufacturer for that matter equip their sports car / sports sedan with extreme summer tires?
Not many people who buy a Vette, 911, or BMW M3 for example track their cars.
I don't feel that these companies should just equip these cars with less aggressive tires because most people won't track the cars.
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According to tire rack the Potenza S-02's are max performance, not extreme performance.
The OP is talking about a daily driver, yet people seem to be ignoring that.
The S isn't a super car Many people DD their S.
#27
I like the confidence the SS provides, even during daily driving - which most of us will do spiritedly at somepoint. The feedback is great - it really changes the car quite dramatically, even when not at the limit - however its important to remember that the limit is raised and thus so is risk. The tire choice definately is important on this car. While a cheaper tire may be fine as well, It wont provide the same experience. Plus, its nice to have the SS if you want to do a track day, auto-x.
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Originally Posted by ms32s2k' timestamp='1330481564' post='21460914
[quote name='s2kmiami69' timestamp='1330479713' post='21460822']
[quote name='ZOMG.S2K' timestamp='1330478099' post='21460729']
No one has justified these for a daily driver yet, except one post mentioning an evasive maneuver which is quite a stretch.
Save a couple bucks and go with a cheaper and higher tread wear rated tire if your just DDing your car.
[quote name='ZOMG.S2K' timestamp='1330478099' post='21460729']
No one has justified these for a daily driver yet, except one post mentioning an evasive maneuver which is quite a stretch.
Save a couple bucks and go with a cheaper and higher tread wear rated tire if your just DDing your car.
By some logic in here, why would Honda, or any manufacturer for that matter equip their sports car / sports sedan with extreme summer tires?
Not many people who buy a Vette, 911, or BMW M3 for example track their cars.
I don't feel that these companies should just equip these cars with less aggressive tires because most people won't track the cars.
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According to tire rack the Potenza S-02's are max performance, not extreme performance.
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well i believe ap2s came with bridgestone re-11s which are in the extreme performance category
#30
I like the different points of view presented thus far, I will say however that because a car is referred to as a DD does not mean that it isn't driven extremley hard. For instance, I am stationed in germany currently, my S is my daily, however, it regularly see's 150+ mph on the autobahn, some very aggresive mountain backroads, and the occaisional trip to the ring. I think the term DD shouldn't be looked at as a badge of a babied car, rather a car that is expected to perform reliably on a daily basis, with as much comfort as can be expected with modifications (doesn't mean that maximum performance is something that the driver WANTS to sacrifice). My question was, more or less, is the star spec the best performing street tire on the market for our autos or is it a tire with some very good performance with a price that most can stomach. I will agree that the fan base is staggering, but then i see other tire recommendations from other board members with vast experience.