dolebludger:

I understand the "within range" concept, that's why I asked "if the old alignment was according to the factory specs?". I'm not asking if it was within specs or not, you're right, that does not mean anything. Did the alignment shop give you the "before" alignment readings?

 

mas:

Unfortunately we will never know the exact settings the car had in all respects. The new hunter machine had the ranges dialed in and indicated "in spec", but some of the print out was "cybergarbage". I could tell that one rear wheel had a toe in of 6+mm and the other was over 7+mm The old toe ins on the fromts were unreadable. however, this demonic machine would confirm my original -.45 camber on my fronts, and that the new camber was a -.36. I wasn't as worried about not getting understandable old front toe in readings as the wear on the fronts looks more like wear from too much camber than toe in (i.e. worn mainly on the inside).

Unless I understand the matter incorrectly, Honda does not issue specs, for example that the rear toe in shall be 6mm. Rather, the specs state it can be anywhere between 4mm and 8mm, and you will still be told, you're in spec. if you are in this range. All this, even though the more toe in used, the less the rears are running parallel, and therefore the more they are scruffing and wearing. Unless I misunderstand front tire camber, the larger the negative number, the more these tires are tilted outward at the bottom (as expressed by a larger negative number), the more you will experience excess inside wear.

When done, the dealer warned me about oversteer as Jim had done, and I was on my way to find this "oversteer thing".Haven't found it yet!

Hope this helps, cause it's just about all I know,
Richard