Adding a thicker front sway bar doesn't "remove weight transfer". It increases "weight transfer" up front and reduces it in the back. Total "weight transfer" is the same, you're just alleviating the load on the outside rear and increasing the load on the outside front.
Even if you go with "too thick a sway bar", you haven't canceled the mod, you *still* will have more overall grip, it will just be biased more to the rear and you'll get more understeer.

I mostly agree. I would be more likely to try 255s all around and *then* decide whether to run a stiffer front bar or not, and if so how stiff.

You mean 40mm added width, per side! Not exactly a popular size, only Kumho XS (poor wet grip) and hardcore Hoosier R-comps come in that size. 295s probably overkill on an NA S! Actually, I see that Hoosier now also has 275/35-17s. Hmmm...

Holy CRAP that's a lot of rubber...

 

Adding a thicker front sway bar doesn't "remove weight transfer".

- Wrong, your reducing G load on the tire with the most grip and maintaining it over the inside wheel which has the least grip, effectively biasing the weight on the least effective side of the car under load. more weight transfer is good for max traction, it isnt good for handling control however, the "right" balance is preferential and so is how much of this balance you want front to back as well as side to side. You’re forgetting what the side to side does I believe in total available traction. For example, Drag cars don’t run stiff suspension in the rear to gain traction, they want maximum weight transfer to the rear of the car meaning less spring weight for traction. The same applies in our case during side load cornering/sway bars.
I mostly agree. I would be more likely to try 255s all around and *then* decide whether to run a stiffer front bar or not, and if so how stiff.

You mean 40mm added width, per side! Not exactly a popular size, only Kumho XS (poor wet grip) and hardcore Hoosier R-comps come in that size. 295s probably overkill on an NA S!

-I don’t drive fast nor do I track in the rain, so rain traction means little to me. Yes my mistake 40mm per tire wider. I'm not N/A but am from time to time when the FI has issues, I think I would still choose this size, just from the sheer grip it provides in the corners and not finding any draw backs since the overall gearing hasn’t changed. The XS is actually quite a light tire for its size, coupled with very light wheels RPF1, the over all package is on par with OEM weight. Holy CRAP that's a lot of rubber...
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Um, no, *you're* wrong, and doubly so!
Thicker front sway will transfer MORE load to the outside front, taking more load off of the inside front. This will act to reduce total front grip.

No it is not. LESS lateral weight transfer is better for traction. However, total weight transfer is a function of c.g. height and track width only. Lower c.g. and wider track => greater cornering grip.

You can affect how much is reacted up front and how much in the back, though, which allows you to tailor handling balance. Stiffer front bar reacts more of the cornering load *reducing* front grip.

Stiffer front bar => more load on the outside front, less load on the inside front, which reduces total front grip. This is because the load/grip curve is not linear. The additional load on the outside front doesn't give as much lateral grip back vs. what is taken away at the inside front, because the outside front is more highly loaded.

Stiffer front bar => LESS load on the outside rear, MORE load on the inside rear. Which INcreases total rear grip, as the reduced load on the outside rear allows it to make more grip per load, and the inside rear is also able to contribute more additional grip.

295/35-17 XS is 32 lb.! The Hoosier tires in that size are pretty light, though

 

I think the lesser toe will be something you will like. I run 3.0 all around.

btw, what r ur spring rates?

 

Um, no, *you're* wrong, and doubly so!
Thicker front sway will transfer MORE load to the outside front, taking more load off of the inside front. This will act to reduce total front grip.

No it is not. LESS lateral weight transfer is better for traction. However, total weight transfer is a function of c.g. height and track width only. Lower c.g. and wider track => greater cornering grip.

You can affect how much is reacted up front and how much in the back, though, which allows you to tailor handling balance. Stiffer front bar reacts more of the cornering load *reducing* front grip.

Stiffer front bar => more load on the outside front, less load on the inside front, which reduces total front grip. This is because the load/grip curve is not linear. The additional load on the outside front doesn't give as much lateral grip back vs. what is taken away at the inside front, because the outside front is more highly loaded.

Stiffer front bar => LESS load on the outside rear, MORE load on the inside rear. Which INcreases total rear grip, as the reduced load on the outside rear allows it to make more grip per load, and the inside rear is also able to contribute more additional grip.

295/35-17 XS is 32 lb.! The Hoosier tires in that size are pretty light, though
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ok

 

I run non-staggered to get rid of the increadible amount of midcorner (steady state) understeer. I am running 255s square RA-1s for the track & 275s square Hoosier A6 for auto-x. It's rare that I take the track car to the auto-x, but I still get a slight push with my set up. And this is probably due to my lack of patience on long sweepers.

My alignment on the track car is..
Front -3.7 camber | little bit of toe out | 6.7 caster
Rear -2.7 camber | 1/8" toe in

 

It’s probably the thicker sway bar you added up front

 

Adding a thicker front sway bar doesn't "remove weight transfer". It increases "weight transfer" up front and reduces it in the back. Total "weight transfer" is the same, you're just alleviating the load on the outside rear and increasing the load on the outside front.
Even if you go with "too thick a sway bar", you haven't canceled the mod, you *still* will have more overall grip, it will just be biased more to the rear and you'll get more understeer.

I mostly agree. I would be more likely to try 255s all around and *then* decide whether to run a stiffer front bar or not, and if so how stiff.

You mean 40mm added width, per side! Not exactly a popular size, only Kumho XS (poor wet grip) and hardcore Hoosier R-comps come in that size. 295s probably overkill on an NA S! Actually, I see that Hoosier now also has 275/35-17s. Hmmm...

Holy CRAP that's a lot of rubber...
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Hi ZDan,

Tried to send you a PM but was unable to. Was trying to mention something in private to you.

 

My message box was at 100%, I cleaned it up a bit, try again?

 

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