I have the CEs with 17x9 +63 front and 17x10 +70 rear.

 

The other part of the reason is that I just don't want to change the look of my CR and if I want to ever being it back to stock I would not be able to do so easily with rolled fenders. I don't care much about resale value as I don't ever plan on selling the car in the near future. Infact I've thought about buying another AP2 possibly in the near future when prices go down a bit for low mileage versions. When that happens I will go all out with a fully built motor and Turbo kit without any compromises.
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Why not go with a square set up like you were originally thinking about, and just buy a new set of OEM fenders to roll and flare?

 

You can't just "replace" the rear quarter panel. You also have to do the bumper tab relocation etc. It's more work than just a quick roll/pull in the back.

 

Right.

I've very well aware of how this all works. You replace the front fenders, and roll them, while still running a high offset in the front as well as the rear. You do 9 +63's all around. You get your non-stagger, full sized tires, and reversibility.

 

I moved away from the non staggered setup so I can retain the natural tendency of the CR to understeer as needed at speed. I'm just starting to approach the limits o the car and with some more time in the future on the track I can think about a more aggressive setup. Hopefully with some more seat time I will start reaching the limits of the car.

Getting a larger wheel upfront is up there on priority list though.

 

My view on rolling fenders:

Fronts are ~$250 each (oem) + paint. This seems acceptable replacement/loss/recovery/accident/etc.
Rears are kind of a no-brainer. Usually you can't even tell these are rolled and seems to be hard to mess up.

Bottom line, just do it.

 

Keep in mind, one of the biggest reasons the CR, and all other S2000's and cars understeer from the factory is because of alignment...not tire/wheel size. Yes, tire and wheel size does effect under/oversteer characteristics, but its not he only factor.

If you are planning on running an alignment similar to mine, your car will have A LOT LESS UNDERSTEER than stock, even with staggered wheels and tires. With stock CR alignment I had a hard time making the car oversteer on power...now with my new alignment I can get power on oversteer pretty much any time I want. Its actually a beautiful thing as it can be quicker and easier to get the car around a tight turn, and executing a nice power on slide is probably one of the most fun and rewarding things to do on track

If you want to keep the understeer of the stock CR, do it via alignment settings and not wheels/tires.

As I have said many times, get the wheel package that gives you the most growth. Don't spend 2-3K on wheels, and then after another season of tracking realize you want more tire up front, and realize you made a mistake buying the wheels you did. Get the right wheels from day one. Again, as I have said, you can run non-staggered wheels and still stagger your tires which will keep some of the understeer present in the car. Part of getting the right wheels in my mind, is getting the same size wheel all around so you can rotate wheels front to rear and get a lot more mileage out of your tires! This is coming from a performance and track mindset now that my car doesnt see a lot of normal driving miles.

 

Says the guy with stock fenders and high offsets

Seriously though, I am not completely against rolling fenders, and I may do a slight roll on my fronts just to make sure I dont catch an edge and jack them up, but at the same time the business of rolling is funny.

I had spare fenders, but then realized I am spending probably close to $1,0000 on fenders and paint, just to then go buy wheels that LOOK COOL. So just to LOOK COOL if you buy some Volks or Advans your spending $3500-$4500 depending on the wheels and tires you go with. Nothing wrong with looking cool as we all want our cars to look good, but if performance is what you crave, thats a lot of extra money that doesnt make your car any faster. Just makes you look better sitting in a parking lot.

Every time I see pictures of High Offset wheels (including your Ivan) I think they look kinda blah and boring. Then when I see them in person they look great! I think my mindset is that I now have more appreciation for someone who runs nice quality proper offset wheels. I think Ivan your car and Nick's car with the Volks look great. I myself have my eyes on some high offset wheels in the near future.

 

^ All my fenders are rolled.

The rear was done many years ago because for my slight rub at track days on the EMO's I used to have.

The fronts are currently rolled because BBK is going in and I will have to space out the wheels.
I will also try the non-staggered setup someday by using my rear setup on the front when I get more track time under my belt with the current setup (which I really like).

So future planning, like you said Adam

Regarding the $1k cost, this is only if you screw up which you hopefully won't lol.

 

^ Ah ok. Guess I shouldn't pretend I know what everyone is running lol.

I honestly think its better and safer to do a slight roll if you track your car just as a precaution.