A few things to consider:

1. Globalization does lots for the working American, for one it allows us to buy cheap white and brown goods.
2. Globablization has already happened yet unemployment is at a low.
3. Competition is necessary for our economy.

In the technology industry, a person pretty much has to marry a company and work his ass off for many years and maybe then will they hold an executive position at the age of 55. Also consider that in this industry, the higher up the food chain you go, the lower your job stability (its easy to blame the managers when sales are down). I would say that the average executive in my field has a shelf life of about 6months to 5 years. Due to the instability of the position, many benefits are provided. I don't have a problem with the CEO making millions, in fact I hope to be one. Coorporate greed? What about all of the celebrities and athlete billionaires? Hard work should pay off. It does for the CEOs and now it does for Mr. Patel in India and I have no problem competing with him.

If anything is going to be the downfall of our economy, it is going to be our dependence on oil or Medicare...

 

Well put...
But I still have an issue with "competing" with our "Mr. Patel" in India.
It it isn't competition at all! Not one bit!
Motorola is shipping equipment by the tons to India. India is not only now testing, but is being charged with engineering new products - stuff we used to do here. But it is SO much cheaper there.
Competition... not at all. It's called a clear advantage for India and Corporate America.

Just one more thing to think about...
Manufacturing jobs have gone to primarily China where workers have little rights. They work more than 12-hour shifts, 6 days a week, in sometimes very dangerous conditions and they are paid squat. Is that "competition"? No.

Don't get me wrong, some of the hardest working and talented people I've ever worked with are Indians. They are a very gracious and respectful people. However, I can't recall any one Indian person whom wich I have worked with that is married. Every one of them are young and un-attached. They work 12+ hours a day and haven't learned the phrase... "NO", yet. They take on tremendous workloads and often are overwhelmed with work. Their quality of work is no better than mine, or my co-workers here. It is that they are cheaper labor willing to work for less than 1/4 my salary. That's not competition.
I am married, I have a family, I have expenses that come with a family, and I do work 12+ hours a day. It doesn't matter to the corporate bottom-line one bit because it is all about cost... and sometimes quality is sacrificed... which is exactly what we are seeing lately because our Indian workforce is taking on way more than they can handle. Corporate America is not buying 4 engineers for every one American engineer... not at all.

A segway from this Indian labor could be to explore the draw for illegal aliens and cheap labor for construction and landscaping for the rich right here in our own back yard. Illegal workers don't compete with our citizens at all. Just examine the New Orleans rebuild. Illegal workers are working for less wages than our "minimum wage" and are displacing domestic workers who pay taxes. Who's to blame?...

Word.


CB

 

Thank God we still have a sizable control over the adult $$$$$$ industry...that's going to be our mainstay into the 21st century. We are a service based country.

I was nervous when the French and Dutch got into it big time, but they are just too freaky for the average American spending his/her hard earns dollars to really be considered a player.

I'll gladly give up girl on donkey action and continue to avoid child $$$$$$ to protect America's true service industry.

 

the word broken out by dollar signs is:
P-O-R-N

 

Laugh while you can.

 

Leandro Barbosa is only the tip of the iceberg. Brazil's taking over, especially in p o r n.

 

You guys are amazing.
$$$$$$ and prostitution will always have a niche, and it will find a new way to prevail in every new form of technology.
What do you think was the largest search as soon as the Internet was born?
What do you think became available as soon as picture phones hit the market?
Asian $$$$$$? How about that? Women captured and treated like absolute shit just for a few purian interests?
I'm not talking about pornography, I'm talking about real jobs that used to work and support real people right here in the valley.
Look around you...
Motorola used to have a huge presence here. Now that presence is all but gone. Globalization has moved chip manufacturing to China, and cheaper cellular infrastructure testing labor to India. What was once a powerhouse of technoligical jobs and influence to this valley is now gone; all because of so-called "globalization". In my view, "globalization" is nothing more than an a green card for corporations to seek the cheapest labor no matter what.
Don't bring $$$$$$ into this discussion at all. It is wrong.

CB

 

I think it is a reasonable discussion; although, admittedly, the way I brought it in wasn't meant as such.

It's tough to keep p-o-r-n out of a discussion on jobs when it generates more revenue and creates more jobs than the NFL, NBA and MLB combined. (what interesting statistics web searches provide)

Maybe we should be concerned that we still dominate the world in sports, except football (soccer), as well?

If someone wants to perform and people are willing to pay, what is to say that it is better or worse for that person than the NBA, NFL or MLB?

I think the issue is the American consumer as a whole. We want the best quality products at the least amount of money. Motorola, an American company, apparently realized, that in order to stay in business in had to change the way it conducts its business. My company lets programmers in India and Israel write code for us; well we used to use Israelis, but they got to be too damn expensive. I know Duane Keeling (drkeeling) has a great take on that situation, but until more people realize the issues with outsourcing and vote with their wallets we won't have a change.

Why is Walmart going to be the #1 supplier of food in the country in less than 5 years? Because most Americans can not see that the cheap goods come at a severe cost - paying for it in welfare, increased health care costs and loss of middle class jobs that buy other goods and support other people's lives.

Until we, as a nation, get out of the mentality that we are "due" something for nothing then we will continue to deteriorate.

I vote with my wallet and support locals.

 

Motorola still has a strong presence here only it is in the form of their spin-offs, Freescale and ON Semiconductor. People seem to talk like chip manufacturing is some kind of high paying specialized job. Fab workers are no different than any other manufacturing job. The workers at the ON Semiconductor fab here in phoenix are very transient because they decide that they don't like spending long 10 hour shifts in a bunny suit.

Also, everytime chips get smaller, which seems to be every two years according to Moore's Law, entirely new manufacturing equipment must be invested in. Luckily, companies are able to invest in the new technology by building fabs overseas and thus allowing technology to progress. This means we can afford our faster computers and smarter cell phones. Faster computers and smarter cell phones in turn make almost every other American business more efficient.

Walmart's business plan is criminal. My argument is only valid for the technology industry, which seems to be what most people think of when the topic of outsourcing comes up.

 

[QUOTE=SPLNDID,May 28 2006, 08:17 PM] You guys are amazing.
$$$$$$ and prostitution will always have a niche, and it will find a new way to prevail in every new form of technology.
What do you think was the largest search as soon as the Internet was born?
What do you think became available as soon as picture phones hit the market?
Asian $$$$$$?