Hungarian GP Qualifying (Spoiler)
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[QUOTE=VFROOOM,Aug 4 2007, 08:34 AM] I have TiVo and I reviewed the delay Alonso held LH behind him in the pits, it was for a total of 9 seconds.
I'm still not sure it was Alonso or his Engineer who held him back. They may have been focusing on where Kimi was on the track to the detriment of Hamilton's Q3 strategy.
Ron Dennis seemed to be lecturing Alonso's Engineer afterwards and tried to get Alonso to talk but he was having none of it.
Lewis Hamilton "It definitely needs a good explanation. I really don't understand why I was held back. I guess you should ask the team, and I definitely will do when I go back and have the debrief. Nothing was said to me on the radio. I was obviously told on the way in Fernando was doing his stop and that I should back off so I didn't have to queue. That's what I did, so I saved time coming round the last corner and into the pits, but for some reason he was just held there.
Your guess is as good as mine as to why he was there. His wheels were on, his blankets were off and yet he was told to wait. I probably lost at least half a minute coming in off the previous lap and then waiting behind Fernando.
I'm not angry. I'm curious as to what's gone on. I find it quite interesting and amusing, so I'm not really mad to be honest. I think the team have been extremely fair, at least ever since Monaco." [UNQUOTE]
Wow...LH gave the PC response. If I were him, I would hire some cagey lawyers....get my contract annulled from McLaren and sign with Ferrari and really stick it up Alonso's ass for sure. I never liked Alonso.
I'm still not sure it was Alonso or his Engineer who held him back. They may have been focusing on where Kimi was on the track to the detriment of Hamilton's Q3 strategy.
Ron Dennis seemed to be lecturing Alonso's Engineer afterwards and tried to get Alonso to talk but he was having none of it.
Lewis Hamilton "It definitely needs a good explanation. I really don't understand why I was held back. I guess you should ask the team, and I definitely will do when I go back and have the debrief. Nothing was said to me on the radio. I was obviously told on the way in Fernando was doing his stop and that I should back off so I didn't have to queue. That's what I did, so I saved time coming round the last corner and into the pits, but for some reason he was just held there.
Your guess is as good as mine as to why he was there. His wheels were on, his blankets were off and yet he was told to wait. I probably lost at least half a minute coming in off the previous lap and then waiting behind Fernando.
I'm not angry. I'm curious as to what's gone on. I find it quite interesting and amusing, so I'm not really mad to be honest. I think the team have been extremely fair, at least ever since Monaco." [UNQUOTE]
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Dennis: Hamilton triggered incident
By Mark Glendenning and Pablo Elizalde Saturday, August 4th 2007, 17:27 GMT
McLaren team boss Ron Dennis has confirmed Lewis Hamilton was to blame for the qualifying incident involving the Briton and teammate Fernando Alonso, after the rookie driver ignored team orders earlier in the session.
Alonso has been widely criticised after he waited for some ten seconds before leaving the pitlane during his final stop for tyres.
The delay meant that Hamilton had to sit behind Alonso and was then unable to complete his final flying lap.
The incident is under investigation by the race stewards.
Although the Spaniard had been waved by his "lolly pop" mechanic to leave the pitlane, Dennis revealed Alonso's engineer had instructed him to wait as a consequence of Hamilton disobeying the team's orders earlier on.
"He was being counted down by his engineer," Dennis told reporters after qualifying. "He's under the control of his engineer. He determined when he goes. That's the sequence.
"And if you think that was a deliberate thing, then you can think what you want. I have given you exactly what happened."
Dennis said Hamilton's decision to disobey the team's orders had compromised the team's plans during qualifying.
"They were out of sequence because Lewis should have slowed and let Fernando past. And he didn't. He charged off. That's how we got out of sequence," Dennis added.
He further explained: "We have various procedures within the team and prior to practice we determine how it is going to be run, what our strategy is, and how that's going to be enacted on the circuit.
"There are some procedural issues there on qualifying. One of the things that you'll have seen several times over the course of this season is long periods of time where the car has gone down to the end of pitlane and sat for a long time.
"In this situation, we are timed to when we can dispatch the car based on when the car reaches a given temperature, and then we know how long we can hold it at the pitlane.
"The cars are dispatched as soon as possible. In this instance, Lewis's car got up to that temperature first, we went Lewis, we sent Fernando, and the fuel burn characteristics [mean that] there is a small advantage which we play from driver to driver according to the nature of the circuit.
"In this instance, it was Fernando's time to get the advantage of the longer fuel burn. The arrangement was, OK, we're down at the end of the pitlane, we reverse positions in the first lap. That didn't occur as arranged. That was somewhat disappointing and caused some tensions on the pitwall.
"We were, from that moment on, out of sequence because the cars were in the wrong place on the circuit and that unfolded into the pitstops. It complicated the situation into the result, which was Lewis not getting his final timed lap.
"So this really started from that position, and from our drivers not swapping position to get the right fuel burn in order to arrive at the point where we cut the end result to the end.
"Now, as you have often asked the question, and let me make it a very honest answer, it is extremely difficult to deal with two such competitive drivers. There are definite pressures within the team. We make no secret of it. They are both very competitive, and they both want to win, and we are trying our very hardest to balance those pressures.
"Today we were part of a process where it didn't work, and the end result is more pressure on the team. But what you hear is the exact truth of what happened, and we will manage it inside the team through the balance of the season.
"Obviously Lewis feels more uncomfortable with the situation than Fernando. That's life, that's the way it is, and if he feels too hot to talk about it then that's the way it is.
"But what I've done is, I have given you an exact understanding of what took place today. And it's just pressure, competitiveness, and that's the way it is. We've just got to get on and deal with it, but we're not hiding from it.
"We're sat on the front row of the most difficult Grand Prix to win as regards to overtaking, and therefore we want to get on with the race.
"Fernando is here. Have I explained it accurately? [Alonso gives a thumbs-up]. OK. That's the way it is."
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Alonso PROVED why he is WC, he did exactly what someone like the Fueher would have done if he had a competitive teammate.
He cant get penalized either, sorry.
You can call it unsporting all you want, but McLaren favored a nobody over a 2 time and defending WC, therefore if McLaren wouldn't help FA he helped himself.
Guys that is a sign of greatness, and that he did it to a snobby lass like louise makes it even better.
I'll bet the prissy lass throws it off like he did last year in GP2 and FA retakes his lead in WDC and nver looks back.
The prissy bitch rave is over come tomorrow..bye louise.
He cant get penalized either, sorry.
You can call it unsporting all you want, but McLaren favored a nobody over a 2 time and defending WC, therefore if McLaren wouldn't help FA he helped himself.
Guys that is a sign of greatness, and that he did it to a snobby lass like louise makes it even better.
I'll bet the prissy lass throws it off like he did last year in GP2 and FA retakes his lead in WDC and nver looks back.
The prissy bitch rave is over come tomorrow..bye louise.
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Originally Posted by mikamaya,Aug 4 2007, 10:22 AM
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Dennis: Hamilton triggered incident
By Mark Glendenning and Pablo Elizalde Saturday, August 4th 2007, 17:27 GMT
McLaren team boss Ron Dennis has confirmed Lewis Hamilton was to blame for the qualifying incident involving the Briton and teammate Fernando Alonso, after the rookie driver ignored team orders earlier in the session.
Alonso has been widely criticised after he waited for some ten seconds before leaving the pitlane during his final stop for tyres.
The delay meant that Hamilton had to sit behind Alonso and was then unable to complete his final flying lap.
The incident is under investigation by the race stewards.
Although the Spaniard had been waved by his "lolly pop" mechanic to leave the pitlane, Dennis revealed Alonso's engineer had instructed him to wait as a consequence of Hamilton disobeying the team's orders earlier on.
"He was being counted down by his engineer," Dennis told reporters after qualifying. "He's under the control of his engineer. He determined when he goes. That's the sequence.
"And if you think that was a deliberate thing, then you can think what you want. I have given you exactly what happened."
Dennis said Hamilton's decision to disobey the team's orders had compromised the team's plans during qualifying.
"They were out of sequence because Lewis should have slowed and let Fernando past. And he didn't. He charged off. That's how we got out of sequence," Dennis added.
He further explained: "We have various procedures within the team and prior to practice we determine how it is going to be run, what our strategy is, and how that's going to be enacted on the circuit.
"There are some procedural issues there on qualifying. One of the things that you'll have seen several times over the course of this season is long periods of time where the car has gone down to the end of pitlane and sat for a long time.
"In this situation, we are timed to when we can dispatch the car based on when the car reaches a given temperature, and then we know how long we can hold it at the pitlane.
"The cars are dispatched as soon as possible. In this instance, Lewis's car got up to that temperature first, we went Lewis, we sent Fernando, and the fuel burn characteristics [mean that] there is a small advantage which we play from driver to driver according to the nature of the circuit.
"In this instance, it was Fernando's time to get the advantage of the longer fuel burn. The arrangement was, OK, we're down at the end of the pitlane, we reverse positions in the first lap. That didn't occur as arranged. That was somewhat disappointing and caused some tensions on the pitwall.
"We were, from that moment on, out of sequence because the cars were in the wrong place on the circuit and that unfolded into the pitstops. It complicated the situation into the result, which was Lewis not getting his final timed lap.
"So this really started from that position, and from our drivers not swapping position to get the right fuel burn in order to arrive at the point where we cut the end result to the end.
"Now, as you have often asked the question, and let me make it a very honest answer, it is extremely difficult to deal with two such competitive drivers. There are definite pressures within the team. We make no secret of it. They are both very competitive, and they both want to win, and we are trying our very hardest to balance those pressures.
"Today we were part of a process where it didn't work, and the end result is more pressure on the team. But what you hear is the exact truth of what happened, and we will manage it inside the team through the balance of the season.
"Obviously Lewis feels more uncomfortable with the situation than Fernando. That's life, that's the way it is, and if he feels too hot to talk about it then that's the way it is.
"But what I've done is, I have given you an exact understanding of what took place today. And it's just pressure, competitiveness, and that's the way it is. We've just got to get on and deal with it, but we're not hiding from it.
"We're sat on the front row of the most difficult Grand Prix to win as regards to overtaking, and therefore we want to get on with the race.
"Fernando is here. Have I explained it accurately? [Alonso gives a thumbs-up]. OK. That's the way it is."
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Back you go Alonso!!! LOL!!!
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19506.html
The FIA Stewards announced at closse to midnight that Fernando Alonso would be penalised five grid positions after a controversial qualifying session for the Hungarian GP.
They delivered their verdict following submissions from McLaren team principal Ron Dennis, drivers Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton, in addition to reviewing television footage and listening to excerpts from the team radio.
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Clearly their press conference was a sham to silence all critics.
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19506.html
The FIA Stewards announced at closse to midnight that Fernando Alonso would be penalised five grid positions after a controversial qualifying session for the Hungarian GP.
They delivered their verdict following submissions from McLaren team principal Ron Dennis, drivers Fernando Alonso and Lewis Hamilton, in addition to reviewing television footage and listening to excerpts from the team radio.
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Clearly their press conference was a sham to silence all critics.
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Originally Posted by GPMike,Aug 4 2007, 05:04 PM
Clearly their press conference was a sham to silence all critics.
And also this....
Dennis said Hamilton's decision to disobey the team's orders had compromised the team's plans during qualifying.
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"They were out of sequence because Lewis should have slowed and let Fernando past. And he didn't. He charged off. That's how we got out of sequence," Dennis added.
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"In this instance, it was Fernando's time to get the advantage of the longer fuel burn. The arrangement was, OK, we're down at the end of the pitlane, we reverse positions in the first lap. That didn't occur as arranged. That was somewhat disappointing and caused some tensions on the pitwall.
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"They were out of sequence because Lewis should have slowed and let Fernando past. And he didn't. He charged off. That's how we got out of sequence," Dennis added.
...
"In this instance, it was Fernando's time to get the advantage of the longer fuel burn. The arrangement was, OK, we're down at the end of the pitlane, we reverse positions in the first lap. That didn't occur as arranged. That was somewhat disappointing and caused some tensions on the pitwall.
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Typical RD though - when the rules fit your needs - use them, when they - don't ignore them...
to LH for keeping his cool - good on him.
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And this just in....
Alonso loses five places, McLaren any points
05 August 2007 / Results / Photos
Fernando Alonso has been penalised by the FIA for holding up team-mate Lewis Hamilton in the pits during qualifying and will have to start from sixth in tomorrow's race. Moreover the sport's governing body felt that the team played a substantial part too in sabotaging its own driver's last run and will not be allowed to take any points away from the Hungarian Grand Prix.
The FIA ruled that the Spaniard and McLaren's constructors' points potential deserved to be punished for the pit-stop fracas after listening to the radio transmissions and video evidence from McLaren during the incident.
The FIA spent a good few hours evaluating all the evidence and now Lewis Hamilton will be promoted to pole position, for which the 22-year-old was unable to challenge when the hold up prevented him from doing a last final lap. Alonso will now have to start on the third row of the grid alongside Robert Kubica, who starts from seventh. Ralf Schumacher moves up to fifth, Nico Rosberg to fourth, Kimi Raikkonen to third and Nick Heidfeld to second.
McLaren has decided to appeal the decision about being docked points but is unable to do the same for Alonso's grid penalty. The hearing will happen sometime after the race.
Alonso loses five places, McLaren any points
05 August 2007 / Results / Photos
Fernando Alonso has been penalised by the FIA for holding up team-mate Lewis Hamilton in the pits during qualifying and will have to start from sixth in tomorrow's race. Moreover the sport's governing body felt that the team played a substantial part too in sabotaging its own driver's last run and will not be allowed to take any points away from the Hungarian Grand Prix.
The FIA ruled that the Spaniard and McLaren's constructors' points potential deserved to be punished for the pit-stop fracas after listening to the radio transmissions and video evidence from McLaren during the incident.
The FIA spent a good few hours evaluating all the evidence and now Lewis Hamilton will be promoted to pole position, for which the 22-year-old was unable to challenge when the hold up prevented him from doing a last final lap. Alonso will now have to start on the third row of the grid alongside Robert Kubica, who starts from seventh. Ralf Schumacher moves up to fifth, Nico Rosberg to fourth, Kimi Raikkonen to third and Nick Heidfeld to second.
McLaren has decided to appeal the decision about being docked points but is unable to do the same for Alonso's grid penalty. The hearing will happen sometime after the race.
