McLaren's using a form of traction control
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I say good for Mclaren... 
All teams find ways to be quicker or have an advantage to another.
This is no different. Who knows what the top runners are doing?
So there is a picture of Mclarens steering wheel. I'm sure Ferrari
has some secrets up their sleeves also.
It's ppl who bitch about new tech or new ideas will lead F1 into the Nascar's ways.
All teams find ways to be quicker or have an advantage to another.
This is no different. Who knows what the top runners are doing?
So there is a picture of Mclarens steering wheel. I'm sure Ferrari
has some secrets up their sleeves also.
It's ppl who bitch about new tech or new ideas will lead F1 into the Nascar's ways.
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Originally Posted by Triple-H,Jul 24 2008, 06:24 AM
Well as busy as tyhis subject is here, I'm not seeing the media tear into it like us.
Me wonders why???
Me wonders why???
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Birel, you're making the wrong comparison. Compare short-shifting to a throttle re-map, not an unmodified car.
If the other car you're racing has a throttle reduction "switch" like the supposed McCheaters' car that car moves through the rev's more slowly because it is under part-throttle (assuming it is remapped lower) at the same time you're up a gear (short shifting). When both of you need more power the other car opens the switch and goes to full power while your car just downshifts. If you are both geared the same you both shifted at redline and we're back where we started, theoretically even.
If, at some point in the turn, you both could use more power sooner the other car opens the switch while you downshift. Seems like the same effect, maybe with their milliseconds lag of shift time.
But I still don't see the advantage of a "blind" power reduction versus reducing rear-wheel torque through gearing (short-shifting). It may be that this "switch" is RPM sensitive and they worked out a progressive feed of power all the way through the corners of a given track (if they're in the correct gear for that corner).
If the other car you're racing has a throttle reduction "switch" like the supposed McCheaters' car that car moves through the rev's more slowly because it is under part-throttle (assuming it is remapped lower) at the same time you're up a gear (short shifting). When both of you need more power the other car opens the switch and goes to full power while your car just downshifts. If you are both geared the same you both shifted at redline and we're back where we started, theoretically even.
If, at some point in the turn, you both could use more power sooner the other car opens the switch while you downshift. Seems like the same effect, maybe with their milliseconds lag of shift time.
But I still don't see the advantage of a "blind" power reduction versus reducing rear-wheel torque through gearing (short-shifting). It may be that this "switch" is RPM sensitive and they worked out a progressive feed of power all the way through the corners of a given track (if they're in the correct gear for that corner).
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Originally Posted by S2000spoon,Jul 24 2008, 09:06 AM
It's ppl who bitch about new tech or new ideas will lead F1 into the Nascar's ways.
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Jul 24 2008, 09:50 AM
Because it's no big deal. As I've said.
I do not consider "automatically limiting wheelspin" to be the only definition for TC.
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Originally Posted by Triple-H,Jul 24 2008, 08:20 AM
FTR- Even though this is clearly an aadvantage to the team I do not support, I'm not complaining about new technology. I just want to know if Charlie Whiting accepts this as non-TC, or if by FIA's interpretation of the rules this could indeed be seen as some type of TC. It's not complaining about technology, it's simply wanting to know if it is legal or not.
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Originally Posted by Triple-H,Jul 24 2008, 10:20 AM
FTR- Even though this is clearly an aadvantage to the team I do not support, I'm not complaining about new technology. I just want to know if Charlie Whiting accepts this as non-TC, or if by FIA's interpretation of the rules this could indeed be seen as some type of TC. It's not complaining about technology, it's simply wanting to know if it is legal or not.
I feel it's not fair how Mclaren and Ferrari has an advantage over
Honda. But I understand and accept it. So when I see ppl that is
bitchin against Mclaren, because they found a way to improve their car, and
their team have not yet follow suit, a bit annoying.
Know what i mean?
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Originally Posted by Triple-H,Jul 23 2008, 12:43 PM
Ok, maybe I'm missing something here, but how do these two agree with each other???
1- 9.3 Traction control- No car may be equipped with a system or device which is capable of preventing the driven wheels from spinning under power or of compensating for excessive throttle demand by the driver.
2- Using two fingers at the same time allows the car always to have the most favourable engine torque setting for each gear, thus giving the driver a tool for limiting wheelspin out of slow corners without then suffering a reduction in power in the higher gears.
It just sounds to me like holding in the 2-levers when needed exiting the corner is limiting the amout of torque being put down, so the driver can very quickly mash the throttle to the floor, and the revised torque application map reduces the chances of power induced oversteer.
1- 9.3 Traction control- No car may be equipped with a system or device which is capable of preventing the driven wheels from spinning under power or of compensating for excessive throttle demand by the driver.
2- Using two fingers at the same time allows the car always to have the most favourable engine torque setting for each gear, thus giving the driver a tool for limiting wheelspin out of slow corners without then suffering a reduction in power in the higher gears.
It just sounds to me like holding in the 2-levers when needed exiting the corner is limiting the amout of torque being put down, so the driver can very quickly mash the throttle to the floor, and the revised torque application map reduces the chances of power induced oversteer.
Can't wait for the penalties to be dished out.
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Originally Posted by Borbor,Jul 23 2008, 06:51 PM
And on the flipside, the driver is just as important in F1 because Alonso is taking the car to where it was no business of being.
Or if you need a history lesson, Senna has done the same in inferior cars in 93 and 94 (but only during qualifying) before he slammed that stupid wall.
Or if you need a history lesson, Senna has done the same in inferior cars in 93 and 94 (but only during qualifying) before he slammed that stupid wall.