McLaren's using a form of traction control
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So all you Louis fans, he is not that great after all is he. 
His coming first after the bothched up pit stop was a huge red flag for me. I am not saying he didn't do a good job.Hekki had a similar car and sucked balls.
This just goes to show how important the car is in F1. Remember Hakkinen. He didnt win a single race for the longest of times (7 years) and then in 1998 and 1999 was WDC.
His coming first after the bothched up pit stop was a huge red flag for me. I am not saying he didn't do a good job.Hekki had a similar car and sucked balls.
This just goes to show how important the car is in F1. Remember Hakkinen. He didnt win a single race for the longest of times (7 years) and then in 1998 and 1999 was WDC.
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Originally Posted by [gTr
,Jul 23 2008, 02:43 PM] So all you Louis fans, he is not that great after all is he.
His coming first after the bothched up pit stop was a huge red flag for me. I am not saying he didn't do a good job.Hekki had a similar car and sucked balls.
This just goes to show how important the car is in F1. Remember Hakkinen. He didnt win a single race for the longest of times (7 years) and then in 1998 and 1999 was WDC.
His coming first after the bothched up pit stop was a huge red flag for me. I am not saying he didn't do a good job.Hekki had a similar car and sucked balls.
This just goes to show how important the car is in F1. Remember Hakkinen. He didnt win a single race for the longest of times (7 years) and then in 1998 and 1999 was WDC.
Or if you need a history lesson, Senna has done the same in inferior cars in 93 and 94 (but only during qualifying) before he slammed that stupid wall.
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Originally Posted by [gTr
,Jul 23 2008, 11:43 AM] So all you Louis fans, he is not that great after all is he.
I do think Hamilton has holes in his swing (as they say about baseball players). The pits seem to be a recurring problem for him. Possibly that's one reason they tried the strategy they did on Sunday -- didn't trust him not to screw up in a mass pitstop situation.
Oval track drivers do those mass pit things all the time, so they have lots of practice at it. F1 drivers not so much.
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Jul 23 2008, 01:02 PM
Like I said, this system isn't really "traction control" as defined. It doesn't measure or limit wheelspin at all. It just changes the torque map of the engine, and apparently it is under manual control rather than being automatic the way the TC was.
McLaren's steering wheel...
The lower two allow different engine torque settings to be chosen. Using two fingers at the same time allows the car always to have the most favourable engine torque setting for each gear, thus giving the driver a tool for limiting wheelspin out of slow corners without then suffering a reduction in power in the higher gears, where wheelspin is not an issue.
The lower two allow different engine torque settings to be chosen. Using two fingers at the same time allows the car always to have the most favourable engine torque setting for each gear, thus giving the driver a tool for limiting wheelspin out of slow corners without then suffering a reduction in power in the higher gears, where wheelspin is not an issue.
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Jul 23 2008, 01:27 PM
-- TC: wheelspin is directly and automatically controlled
From my point of view I was not thinking about, nor do I see the word - automatically - as being a decisive defining key to TC. I think of TC as anything other than the driver's foot that limits wheel spin.
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Originally Posted by Triple-H,Jul 23 2008, 11:16 AM
Well all I can say is from my point of view if torque application is revised and the driver can apply full throttle while pulling in on two levers and the engine map delivers less torque, then the system does indeed "limit wheelspin."
and if theres a backdoor in the ecu that only mclaren knows about and is exploiting
they might end up with a worse fate as stepneygate
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This too in interesting, I bolded the part I find so interesting.
McLarens secret is within the steering wheel
Monday, 21 July 2008
Wondered why Hamilton could accelerate so fast with such little wheel spin? Why he can start so well? Well the answer lies in McLarens steering wheel. It is believed they almost have a manual traction control system on their wheel. Spotted by the Telegraph as follows:
"McLaren's steering wheel features four paddle levers rather than the usual two. The upper two are conventional gear-change paddles, one for upshifting, one for down. The lower two allow different engine torque settings to be chosen. Using two fingers at the same time allows the car always to have the most favourable engine torque setting for each gear, thus giving the driver a tool for limiting wheelspin out of slow corners without then suffering a reduction in power in the higher gears, where wheelspin is not an issue. The rules stipulate that any change in torque settings cannot be triggered by the same driver input as a gear change. Having two separate levers gets around that rule, while still allowing the change of gear and torque setting to take place simultaneously. This is part of McLaren's current performance superiority over Ferrari."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtm...1/smpoin121.xml
Monday, 21 July 2008
Wondered why Hamilton could accelerate so fast with such little wheel spin? Why he can start so well? Well the answer lies in McLarens steering wheel. It is believed they almost have a manual traction control system on their wheel. Spotted by the Telegraph as follows:
"McLaren's steering wheel features four paddle levers rather than the usual two. The upper two are conventional gear-change paddles, one for upshifting, one for down. The lower two allow different engine torque settings to be chosen. Using two fingers at the same time allows the car always to have the most favourable engine torque setting for each gear, thus giving the driver a tool for limiting wheelspin out of slow corners without then suffering a reduction in power in the higher gears, where wheelspin is not an issue. The rules stipulate that any change in torque settings cannot be triggered by the same driver input as a gear change. Having two separate levers gets around that rule, while still allowing the change of gear and torque setting to take place simultaneously. This is part of McLaren's current performance superiority over Ferrari."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtm...1/smpoin121.xml
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Originally Posted by Penforhire,Jul 23 2008, 02:50 PM
I am curious what advantage this is, as we think it works, versus just short-shifting? Aren't F1 shifts lightning quick?