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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 04:56 AM
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I just loved this story!!! I have been so so about the removal of TC for 2008 up until now. Now I'm looking forward to it.

A Complete Set Of Wets
Thursday 3rd January 2008

We can't truly believe this is the shape of editorials to come in 2008 - but it looks like we're going to start 2008 agreeing with Max Mosley and disagreeing with the drivers.

The reason? Autosport canvassed driver reactions to the prospect of racing in the wet in 2008 without traction control. The answers amounted to a collection of moans from various F1 pilots at the top of their profession.

Jenson Button: It's going to be very dangerous. We couldn't have raced in Fuji without traction control - there would have been people spinning on the straight."

Felipe Massa: In terms of safety, this is a big step backwards. For sure, we will have more accidents and racing in wet conditions will be very dangerous. I've spoken with Michael Schumacher and several other drivers and they've told me it will be more dangerous driving a car without traction control now than it was in the past. Another race like Fuji would be very dangerous.

Donning his Grand Prix Drivers Association cape David Coulthard says he's taken up the cause with the FIA's race director, Charlie Whiting.

"Fernando Alonso aquaplaned off the road in Fuji - even with traction control. The electronics still couldn't support him - and that will happen a lot more without traction control because Formula One engines are very peaky."

Whiting was the undisputed superstar of the Japanese GP, getting some very difficult decisions right on a day when lesser men might have thrown in the towel.

"I'm very relaxed about how Charlie (Whiting) operates. He may have made some difficult decisions - but he's only reacting on the information he's had. He doesn't have the spray we have - when you're flat out at 180mph you see simply nothing.

"But I'm confident Charlie will do the right thing based on us helping and advising him - and that's why we've started a dialogue now rather than trying to react afterwards."

Though safety is always the aim, F1 is nowhere near the danger sport people think it is. Three-day event horse riding is far more dangerous, Moto GP creates more injuries through a season and World Rallying has notched up far more fatalities than F1. Yet F1 drivers are by far and away the best paid motorsport drivers on the planet.

It's at wet races where they earn their money and their yachts in Monaco and their villas in the Balearics.

If they think F1 is dangerous now, how about when Jackie Stewart or James Hunt raced, with no HANS device, no carbon fibre monocoque, no triple layer nomex, no small fuel loads, no big gravel run-offs (wire catch fencing at Woodcote to wrap the car up).

F1 drivers have to learn to drive around the risks. As Stirling Moss always says, in an age when drivers could be thrown from their cars, you didn't tend to interlock your wheels with another car so casually. This is also Max Mosley's line.

"Driving in the wet is quite dangerous - with or without traction control," he told Autosport. "It's dangerous in the sense that you're likely to go off but you're less likely to hurt yourself because the speeds will be lower. That was always the theory of the grooved tyre because you reduced the grip and the severity of the accident.

"Imagine, in the most extreme circumstances, holding the British Grand Prix at Silverstone on packed snow - nobody would get hurt because nobody would ever get up to enough speed to do any damage! It will make it more difficult in the wet - but it's difficult in the wet anyway. And people forget, even the least competent F1 driver is still amazingly good at what he does."

Though the prospect of seeing marshals holding out a snow flag is an unlikely one, we get the point.

What F1 drivers are really scared of, is less about safety and more about being shown up. The flattery of traction control made them all look reasonable in the wet. Now they have a much greater chance of falling on their asses. Over the last few seasons, the wet races have always been outstanding. Without their artificial aids they are going to be even more fun.

And let's be honest - no matter what formula you're in, when have you ever heard a driver who raced in the wet say there was reasonable visibility? As Martin Brundle recounts; "you're not actually looking for your turning in point, you're listening out for the car in front of you changing down."

TC is gone. Lads, deal with it.
I think here in lies the greatest truth - What F1 drivers are really scared of, is less about safety and more about being shown up.

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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 05:07 AM
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I too am looking forward to it. For the first time I think in years we will truly see the great drivers drive away from the rest on certain circuits, the good drivers come to the surface and show their worth, and we may see a few backmarkers pose some surprises.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by s2ksimon,Jan 4 2008, 09:07 AM
and we may see a few backmarkers pose some surprises.
Extremely good point!
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 11:06 AM
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i am with u guys. i believe that no TC will separate the great from the good
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 11:51 AM
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^ and expose the worthless...
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 12:05 PM
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Herm...hate to stray away from you guys but I think TC should stay. after all it's just a driving "aid" it doesn't magically make you an incredible driver it helps you push the limits of what your car can do. They are already going at INSANE speeds both in dry and wet. I don't see why they should make it harder and much more dangerous for them. True it will require much more driver skill, but it's just like any other inovation that helps get more performance out of the cars. ABS helps them stop faster, spoilers add downforce and cornering ablility, are these going to be taken away next?
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Backspin23,Jan 4 2008, 04:05 PM
after all it's just a driving "aid" it doesn't magically make you an incredible driver it helps you push the limits of what your car can do.
I don't agree, I feel it does indeed make them more incredible. Having listened to F1 cars for years live at Indy, I can tell you some drivers are just all over the TC coming out of the corners. That is nothing more than relying on technology to prevent a power induced oversteer.

I know when I drive the track there are times when I get onto the gas a bit too abrupt, or get into it more than I should, and the next thing I'm doing is countersteering. And yet, I can watch the BMW guys go around the same corners with their TC on, and their gas pedal mashed to the floor, they are allowing the technology figure out just how much power to apply, that's totally a magical benefit.

BTW- ABS is the same thing, it's amaziung how few people nowadays know how to threshold brake. They have never had to learn, they figure all they have to do is jam the brake pedal to the floor and ABS does the rest. You should see these clowns when they get into an older car and they lockup the fronts and can't steer any more.

TC in F1 has allowed too many drivers to rely on technology and have lost the ability to excersise the single most important skil in driving fast - smoothness.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 12:55 PM
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Does F1 have ABS now? I didn't think they did.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 01:30 PM
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their gas pedal mashed to the floor, they are allowing the technology figure out just how much power to apply, that's totally a magical benefit.
the single most important skil in driving fast - smoothness.
That makes sence. I just can't fathom driving at their speeds in the first place. but then trying to control 750+hp in a 1300lb vehicle with no assist or feather a break at 5g's. let alone in the wet rain with out seeing anything....guess that's why i just watch.
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Old Jan 4, 2008 | 03:08 PM
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You could make the same arguement about any innovation. At one point wings allowed a driver to go flat out around almost any sweeper. No need to "modulate the pedal". Now with so much more power maybe that's not the case.

The problem in part is that you have a relatively fixed course but the cars keep improving to the point where some tracks just become too easy for even the least skilled driver in the series.

The flip side is that you could design much harder courses now with all the technology aids but that's expensive. It's a bit like golf courses. The ball and club technology is such that now a lot of course are much much easier than they were 20 years ago and many with the money to do so are redesigning to make them harder.
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