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Old Jan 5, 2008 | 06:51 AM
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I don't see what the controversy is all about. Without tractional control in wet conditions, drivers may have to drive more within the existing limits of the car's mechanical grip. Why is having to slow down to cope with conditions inherently unsafe? The same technical limitation applies to all the cars and drivers in the field so presumably no team should have any advantage unless it is achieved engineering.

I think the better argument--which I don't necessarily subscribe to--is that eliminating traction control dumbs down the cars. For a long time, the perception, whether true or not, has been the F1 lies at the pinnacle of motorsports: the best drivers, the best designers, the best technology, the best cars. One could argue that the designers should have a free hand in the development of their cars; this is the laissez faire approach to technological innovation in F1 cars.
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Old Jan 5, 2008 | 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Triple-H,Jan 4 2008, 12:51 PM
^ and expose the worthless...
haha thats true too. i also thought that f1 cars did not have ABS
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Old Jan 6, 2008 | 08:59 AM
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Why is having to slow down to cope with conditions inherently unsafe?
because they're not going to slow down.
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Old Jan 6, 2008 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Backspin23,Jan 6 2008, 11:59 AM
because they're not going to slow down.
Yes, and I'll expand on that some.

The race drivers will push the car to the absolute limit, no matter what the conditions are. Even drivers with skills like MS, FA, KR, and others, go over those limits at times - even with driver aids. And wrecks happen. But in the dry, with those driver aids, there's greater chance that the car will be recoverable without major incident. But in the wet, without aids - the drivers will still push things to the limit, and the consequences could be much more severe than otherwise.

Remember the 2006 USGP? There was a proposal to have the drivers on Michelin tires just go slower on the front straight. That proposal was rejected because everybody realized that there was no way the drivers would do that, regardless of the risk - they're there to race.
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Old Jan 6, 2008 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Elistan,Jan 6 2008, 05:39 PM
Yes, and I'll expand on that some.

The race drivers will push the car to the absolute limit, no matter what the conditions are. Even drivers with skills like MS, FA, KR, and others, go over those limits at times - even with driver aids. And wrecks happen. But in the dry, with those driver aids, there's greater chance that the car will be recoverable without major incident. But in the wet, without aids - the drivers will still push things to the limit, and the consequences could be much more severe than otherwise.

Remember the 2006 USGP? There was a proposal to have the drivers on Michelin tires just go slower on the front straight. That proposal was rejected because everybody realized that there was no way the drivers would do that, regardless of the risk - they're there to race.
it was the 2005 usgp.
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by mikegarrison,Jan 4 2008, 04:55 PM
Does F1 have ABS now? I didn't think they did.
No they don't have ABS, that's why you see tire lockup, and I mentioned ABS in the context of technology compensating for driver's skill in a driving school environment, hadnothing to do with F1......
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Backspin23,Jan 4 2008, 05:30 PM


That makes sence. I just can't fathom driving at their speeds in the first place. but then trying to control 750+hp in a 1300lb vehicle with no assist or feather a break at 5g's. let alone in the wet rain with out seeing anything....guess that's why i just watch.


Believe me, I totally get it... But they are the best of the best, and great drivers used to drive without all the techno stuff in the past. I still love seeing a lap around Monica in a Senna driven Honda, as he is manually shifting through the gears using a shift lever like in a normal car, not the high tech semi automatic paddle shifters of today.
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 08:37 AM
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i think they should have waited til they go back to slicks before losing traction control
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 10:23 AM
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I also think this traction control issue may make or break Sebastien Bourdais' F1 career
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Old Jan 7, 2008 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by s2ksimon,Jan 7 2008, 02:23 PM
I also think this traction control issue may make or break Sebastien Bourdais' F1 career
I agree. He probably has the most experience without traction control of any of the drivers out there.

I don't think his car will be competitive either way though. I can see him breaking into the points but probably not much better.
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