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10-12-2005, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cvc2nr,Oct 12 2005, 09:19 PM
In the rule book, it says:
6.09 The batter becomes a runner when_
(a) He hits a fair ball; The third strike called by the umpire is not caught, providing (1) first base is unoccupied, or (2) first base is occupied with two out; When a batter becomes a base runner on a third strike not caught by the catcher and starts for the dugout, or his position, and then realizes his situation and attempts then to reach first base, he is not out unless he or first base is tagged before he reaches first base. If, however, he actually reaches the dugout or dugout steps, he may not then attempt to go to first base and shall be out.
10-12-2005, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CHUBBS11,Oct 12 2005, 09:23 PM
i just got schooled...haha
10-12-2005, 09:30 PM
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You gotta wonder how the play would've turned out differently if Molina was in the game. On a third strike anywhere near the ground, a veteran catcher will almost always raise his glove up to present the ball to the Ump, offering proof of a catch. Paul didn't do that... he just assumed the Ump saw the catch, and ran off.
Also, it's been assumed that the "pumped fist" call the home plate ump made was to indicate a 3rd strike, but NOT necessarily an "out" call. (there is a difference.) According to the guys on ESPN, the Ump never VOCALLY said he was out.
Whatareyagonnado? Take the high road like Scoscia I suppose
Also, it's been assumed that the "pumped fist" call the home plate ump made was to indicate a 3rd strike, but NOT necessarily an "out" call. (there is a difference.) According to the guys on ESPN, the Ump never VOCALLY said he was out.
Whatareyagonnado? Take the high road like Scoscia I suppose
10-12-2005, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by i_heart_my_DB8,Oct 12 2005, 09:30 PM
Also, it's been assumed that the "pumped fist" call the home plate ump made was to indicate a 3rd strike, but NOT necessarily an "out" call. (there is a difference.) According to the guys on ESPN, the Ump never VOCALLY said he was out.
Whatareyagonnado? Take the high road like Scoscia I suppose
Whatareyagonnado? Take the high road like Scoscia I suppose
he raised his arm out to the side (indicating that the ball hit the ground) then when the batter turned to go back to the dugout then he raised his fist calling the out. When an umpire raises his fist like that there is an out called.
I do agree and i respect Scoscia on the way he handled everything. I have always liked him ever since he played for the dodgers.
10-12-2005, 09:44 PM
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It has been debated that the pumped fist "out" call was just a "3rd strike" call, and not an "out" call. Which is why it's important that the Ump never verbally said "He's Out."
I agree that it was confusing.
And after 100 replays, I'm not even sure the Ump knew what he was doing. But hey, they're human too.
I agree that it was confusing.
And after 100 replays, I'm not even sure the Ump knew what he was doing. But hey, they're human too.
10-13-2005, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dreamcation,Oct 13 2005, 07:36 AM
call call call call call call call call call call call call call call 
Angels will bounce back tomorrow. They'll channel all that anger and whip the living sh!t out of Chicago. 
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