I have a next gen m2 cs allocation… after seeing these pics idk lol

the official pictures aren’t as horrible as the leaks but still not great. The m performance parts car is hideous.

 

BMW is really going all in on disposable style.

 

Not me, I loved them, and I just laughed at all the traditionalists who hated on them, the same people now paying big money for an M5.

The new beaver teeth grille on this car would've looked great, as with anything new, people hate it at first until conformity tells them it's ok to like it. The beaver front looks much better in person to the point I like it. This new grille is more traditional, and granted it could be better, but I don't think that design language would've produced something better than the beaver front. BMW should've stuck to their guns on that one.

I was at a BMW dealer the other day and walked around the M4. Holy lord is that car huge now, I wonder how big it is vs the M6 from the bangle era, it's gotta be about the same size now, and I remember how we all thought that thing was too big and overweight to be a sportscar.

I really wish OEMs would stop listening to focus groups, the average person has to be told what they want, if you make what they consensus wants you'll end up with fast food. Look at Tesla, for all the crap I give them, they pushed the envelope and now everyone wants an EV. Toyota happened to make the GR Yaris, something no focus group would've ever said they wanted because it doesnt have back doors, it's too small, it's a 3 banger, it's a 40k Yaris for christ sake, and they can't make them fast enough.

Granted, if BMW offered another CUV in their lineup it would probably sell faster than they produce them, so for general consumption cars yeah do the focus group thing. When it comes to passion project, they need to make what they feel is the best thing.

 

^ I saw an M4 on an autocross course and made a bet with someone it was an M6 just because of how much of a boat it was. I lost. That thing is way too big to be a 2 dr. Makes no sense at all. I liked the M2's size and it seems like a great mixed use car. I drove the OG M2 non-comp at an autocross and really liked how the car behaved. It danced well and didn't feel as heavy as it actually is. All controls, except for the throttle, were very intuitive. Throttle wasn't bad and I'm not used to driving turbo cars so some of it may have been me. Hard to believe the new one is 3.8k lbs but I do believe it.

As with most new cars, I'm sure this one will grow on me. The new designs also tend to look much better in person than in images. I do wish they'd find a way to keep them sub 3500 lbs at least. 3200 would be a much better number.

 

I still don't like the Bangle era E60 when compared to the E39, or the E38 when compared to the E65/66 and I don't see myself warming to the G8* M3/M4 when compared to the F8* M3/M4! And I put my money where my mouth is by buying a 2017 M3 ZCP. Unfortunately, it looks like I'll be holding on to it a while longer as I don't see a replacement that would do everything it does as well and doesn't look like an angry pig. As a millennial, this was the high watermark for BMW in my opinion; things began to get watered down after this as BMW transitioned away from being the Ultimate Driving machine! If I had the room, I'd add a E39 M5 to the collection.

 

^Agreed 100%. And I won't bother quoting him, but I disagree with just about everything in TheDonEffect's above comment.

 

Focus groups can be ok if you do them right, but I think most of them they pull in a bunch of stupid people off the street who need the $50 they get for participating. Toyota was selling Scion's like crazy when they first came out and they focus grouped and were told "make them bigger" so they did, and the brand fell off a cliff. If they focus group Miata buyers on what they want in a new Miata, they would get some decent input. If they just ask the average person you'd get a Miata with an automatic, a back seat, and AWD because the average person off the street is as dumb as a bag of hammers.

My sister does focus groups for a marketing firm and she just did one that was supposed to be gen Z female vodka drinkers, I kid you not. I would have liked to watch that one out of morbid curiosity.

 

BMW - the Ultimate Marketing Machine.

This is the absolute lamest garbage commercial for promoting the M2 - who on earth are they targeting/marketing this car to? Definitely not car people, that's for sure.

 

I threw up in my mouth a little.

Only made it to 49 seconds before it broke me.

 

Wow.