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I don't want a JDM version of Mustang, Camaro, Challenger.... Or conversely, a JDM version of a BMW M2 - we already have the Supra.
There are plenty of options to fill the big power market and your requirements.
Aside from the BRZ/FT-86 and ND2, there are no sports cars that are sub 3000 lbs. starting at less than $30K. I care about consumables and don't want to pay for 18-19-20" tires and brake pads for a fat 3700+ lbs. pig - or even up to 4200+ lbs. No thanks.
My s2k has a running cost of ~$500 per track day (fees, gas, tires, brake pads, fluids). At 10 days a year, that's $5000.
I go through two sets of tires at about $860 per set for 255r17 (NT-01 or A052).
Conversely, a set of 315r18 cost about $1570.
And, given a fat car with big horsepower, I'd expect to need 3 sets of tires.
S2K tire cost = ~$1700/year (expect the same rate of wear for FT86 and ND2)
Big HP heavy car tire cost = $4700/year
difference = $3000
just for tires....
I like driving my cars rather than just talking about numbers on paper.
Of course you have to be mindful of the context here, to a Hellcat owner (looking at you Rob, lol), this is absolutely insignificant, but for me the car didn't necessarily lack speed,
2.4 liter with same peak-power rpm and slightly higher redline (7500 vs. 7400rpm), peak torque at 3700rpm which is right in the middle of where the FA20's torque dip was, minimal weight gain, styling looks very good, I think I'm down for this to replace my 2017 BRZ PP If I have any $$$ in the bank...
I only wish they'd make a lighter-weight shorter-wheelbase cab-rearward 50F/50R version...
I think they really hit this one out of the park. It's an improvement over the old one in pretty much every way. I'd be surprised if it didn't surpass the 5 year old ND in the upcoming magazine comparisons.
I don't want a JDM version of Mustang, Camaro, Challenger.... Or conversely, a JDM version of a BMW M2 - we already have the Supra.
There are plenty of options to fill the big power market and your requirements.
Aside from the BRZ/FT-86 and ND2, there are no sports cars that are sub 3000 lbs. starting at less than $30K. I care about consumables and don't want to pay for 18-19-20" tires and brake pads for a fat 3700+ lbs. pig - or even up to 4200+ lbs. No thanks.
My s2k has a running cost of ~$500 per track day (fees, gas, tires, brake pads, fluids). At 10 days a year, that's $5000.
I go through two sets of tires at about $860 per set for 255r17 (NT-01 or A052).
Conversely, a set of 315r18 cost about $1570.
And, given a fat car with big horsepower, I'd expect to need 3 sets of tires.
S2K tire cost = ~$1700/year (expect the same rate of wear for FT86 and ND2)
Big HP heavy car tire cost = $4700/year
difference = $3000
just for tires....
I like driving my cars rather than just talking about numbers on paper.
I was pretty young, but I remember the days of STI's and EVO's crushing domestics. Fast forward many years and people are getting a chub over 230hp.
Agreed. Glad we have options! Seems like the domestic train is the one to be on for me. Or settle for a car that gets passed by a minivan filled with a family of 6 while you're flooring it and they're 1/4 throttle.
Can I be the first to say I'm disappointed? I'd much rather have a C6 Z06. Not far from sub 3k lbs and it running on 4 cylinders is still more than 230hp...
Maybe the looks will grow on me, but I'm not digging the whole design much. On the front, the hood is too high (room for intercooler in future? lol jk). The middle of the hood leading edge is flat (thanks a lot, front license plate states). The sides don't flow IMO. You have a curvy fender flares in front and back linked by...flat doors? No continuity there. And worst of all, to me, is the back. It's rounded, and pinched off, removing any notion of power. And it looks like a Buick Regal.
I'm happy with the powerplant and power output, AS LONG as the car's base price is kept in line. If its up more than $1000 it quickly loses appeal. The biggest improvement, to me, is the huge increase of torque under the curve. Peak torque increase is decent, but moving the peak down almost 3000 rpm is a huge difference. Can't wait to drive one, but also I'm not sure I have any interest in waiting a year before being able to buy one (if desired).
Finally, I'm worried that opting for the Limited package will include lots of safety/technology bullshit that I have zero interest in wanting (or paying for).
Great update! 30 more hp, minimal weight gain, improved interior, and improved looks (more upscale and mature). Under 2900 lbs and 228 hp seems plenty fast to me (roughly the same as an S2000 but with a LOT more torque).
Anyone saying that the 80 lbs gained is going to eliminate the 23 hp gained is mistaken. A 3% gain in weight with an 11% gain in power is a big improvement in power-to-weight.
2880 lbs / 228 hp = 12.6 lb/hp (new car), assuming it gains 80 lbs over the approximately 2800 lbs the current car is (in top trim)
2800 lbs / 205 hp = 13.6 lb/hp (old car)
That's a big bump and you'll notice it not only from a stop but especially from a roll, where the aero effects are equalized but now you have a bunch more power (and same redline) in the new car.
The weight specs might be much better than that:
Estimated for U.S. model: 6-speed manual: Premium 2,815 lbs. Limited 2,835
Automatic Premium 2,864 lbs. Automatic Limited 2,881 lbs.
11-18-2020, 10:21 AM
If I have any $$$ in the bank...
