sorry, a sub-zero IS better.

i don't care about the other shit....but don't mess with my sub!!

 

You truely are idiotic.

The soccer mom doesn't know she wants a BMW, she knows she wants a nice car. The fact that BMW fits the bill is pure coincidence. You've shown yet again, like so many others in the thread, that you are caught up with the name, and not the product.

 

Oh really?.....I live in Scottsdale, the land of expensive cars. Soccer moms want BMWs. You and the soccer moms are caught up in the name as well.

As far as quality products....BMW makes crap. As soon as the car is out of warranty expensive things break...for example. Not a lick of trouble in 3 years then....it all broke @ 34k miles. This car as well taken care of.

on a 328i convertible my friend owned @ 3 years...
-bad fuel injectors- 3 years 1 month- not covered under warranty
-bad power top motor- 3 years 2 months- not covered under warranty
-bad alternator- 3 years 6 months- not covered under warranty
-bad driver power window motor- 3 years 6 months.
-6 months later bad passenger power window motor- 4 years.

This car was a money pit....and right at warranty termination the car disintigrated.

What a sh!t box as far as german engineering is concerned. Nice cars don't fall apart at at the end of the warranty.

Stack is spot on....and I can tell you have never had the "experience" of owning a long term BMW.
-Lee

 

And YOU'VE shown for the hundredth time that you don't know what we're arguing about.

WE AREN'T SAYING BMWS AREN'T BETTER.

I don't recall making that judgement either way.

I'm saying if you blindfolded the average BMW driver (and by average I'm not referring to M5, M coupe, etc, I'm talking bread-and-butter 325i, X5, 530i drivers) and stuck him in a 325i and than an Accord V6, he'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. I can tell the difference. You guys can tell the difference. But Joe BMW driver can't. Is that wrong? Should Joe BMW drive something else? Is Joe BMW wasting his money? No, not necessarily. Nothing wrong with buying a nice car if that's what you want to spend your money on. But I think a huge number of BMW buyers aren't trying to buy themselves a nice car, they are trying to buy the right image. Fine, whatever, they can do what they want. But if you are trying to convince yourself that every, or even most, or even a significant number of BMW drivers buy one because of the autobahn tuning or the fine quality drivetrain or the great steering, you are fooling yourself. Their reasons start and end with the blue and white round thing on the hood.

 

Ignoring your "blindfold" comment since no one sits in or drives a car that way, but I guarantee you that any BMW driver could immediately tell a difference from an interior quality and drivability perspective.

And to the warranty guy, at least BMW covers all your costs during warranty unlike Honda, etc. And most BMW drivers don't ever plan on owning them longer than warranty anyway and oh yeah no one should own a car beyond warranty without a third-party warranty policy anyway.

 

Hardly. Have you met the average distracted BMW driver? No, not the dude at the track with the new M Coupe, the chick at the mall with the 325i, or the businessman yapping on his cellphone in his 530i. They don't know jack about driving dynamics.

No, YOU cover that service in the purchase price. Are you really so thick that you think that was a gift from BMW? At any rate, my theory is that they did that to ensure their leased cars (the vast majority of BMWs, like 85%?) are in good shape when returned and can be sold again for another profit.

True, because most are leased, but since the average car on US roads is around 7 years, that means that few people take your simplistic advice. My car is out of warranty right now (3 years old, 60k miles) and it doesn't trouble me at all.

 

yes a vast majority of people don't know much about cars. a vast majority of people just want a car to go from point a to point b. they want something nice to drive or ride in. it is not about $/hp or if a cheaper car that does that same thing. bmw is about the badge? i guess. if I can afford it, why do I have to drive up in a car that my maid can afford?

 

You don't. All I'm doing is pointing out your motive. I'm not making any judgements.

 

Wow, that really sucks for your friend. Real brave of you vouching for how the car was taken cared of 100% of the time. It sounds like that car is a lemon. I've said it before. I come from a family of euro-luxo cars. Mostly BMW's and benzes and havent encountered SERIOUS problems. I do agree they arent up to par in quality(as in having as a more problems than their japanese competitors) But I do believe that these machines are over-engineered. There is just too much going on. It takes a while to perfect it. For example. Anybody that bought a current gen 7 series when it debuted is hurting right now. That car was waay to advanced. It had a lot of problems!!! i mean it was the first car to use fiber optic wiring rather than copper. Thats just one example. i can go on and on from the brake assist, etc. the more these cars have the more that can go wrong IMO. And those that want fancy cars want more things they have no clue about. and these things can break.

Lets try to calm down a bit on here..simma down!!

 

You lost all credibilty at "BMW makes crap"

Oh and by the way, BMW standard warranty is 4 years, 50,000 miles. So either you don't know what the hell you are talking about or you are lying through your teeth about that ridiculous story of YOUR FRIENDS bmw.

Yes, BMW makes a car thats made to fall apart RIGHT WHEN THE WARRANTY EXPIRES. Do you believe the things you are typing? I don't even need to shoot you down, you do it well enough yourself.