i wouldn't ever buy a bmw WITHOUT all those gadgets. What's the point? To me, a BMW is a compromise between performance and luxury; if I just wanted performance, I'd get something else.

 

I am just asking why does bluetooth have to cost $750? that seems like an awuful lot of money. I will not debate if it's a good feature. I'd like to have bluetooth and who wouldn't? It's just so darn expensive IMO. I am used to many other companies having it standard on up-level modles or at least have it thrown in if you get the navi.

I agree part of what I like about the M3 is it's got great performance as well as many features. I have a S2000 which has no features so I'd like to have most modern luxury as well as having good performance. I realize the M3 is heavy as it's not a 100% sports car like an Elise. Most other cars add modern features such as the Corvette can get HUD etc.. it's not like you need all this stuff but many people like having. For example an Elise or Atom would be more pure driving or sport but you don't want drive them everyday or drive hundreds of miles trips or drive in traffic.

If you want all these features (not saying you need them, but if you want dual clutch, bluetooth, active shocks etc..) than the M3 is just about the same as the GTR (base) which has all this as standard.

 

I find it laughable at how so many is quick to discredit the cars performance numbers. A 3700lb car doing 73mph through a slalom is no joke. Is it not the fastest, best handling //M ever?

Everyone that is perturbed(rightfully) should go test drive one at the ''cure'' event. Its unsupervised. Just you and the steering wheel. It should give you a clearer picture.

 

because they are screwing you. It's just like porsche; the options are where they make their money. If you can swing a 60k car, you can pay $750 for bluetooth - or so their marketing team thinks.

 

I know, the point about the premium sound is not that I don't want to pay extra or as somebody said pay for an after market stereo, but I don't want to bother with all that. And the point is the lesser 335i comes with a better stereo. BMW takes something out of the M3 so it can have a lower base price but then charges double for people that want the better stereo.

I'm not saying the M3 is bad or anything. I started pricing all the little options as well as the way you are forced to buy a package for one option. Like all the rest of BMWs the comfort access is a $500 option but you can't get the CA at all unless you get the $3200 technology package.

In the grand scheme of things spending $62K or $68K will not kill anyone if you can afford the first number you probably can afford the second number. But just that IMO with the GTR having the what you could call $10K of 'options' standard then that just makes the price of the GTR all that much better.

People are going ape over the cheap $70K GTR but what if they came less well optioned for say $59K that's in effect what the BMW is doing. just having navi, active shocks and dual clutch those three features are $6K options on the M3.

 

I say screw status, who are you actually buying the car for? You or others?

I love techno-wizardry of the GT-R and all that it actually does.

 

Good answer. The LS3 Vette is da bomb. For the price of the M3, you can have an LS3 Vette and a decent Silverado truck or a Honda Accord or Civic Si loaded.

 

am thinking of the GTR. I have yet to read anything bad about the GTR. it's like I am trying to figure how it's possible or what's the downside.

I think Nissan makes a mistake by not having this as an Infiniti. I mean that brand needs a boost as well and people would be more comfortable buying in a dealership that sells cars from $30K up rather than a dealership with $12K Veras and Sentras and up.

other than that and if you want/like all the gismos than the GTR looks like a great car at a great price.

 

M3 is not in the same league as the GTR. Good luck getting a GTR for $70K....

Wait 1-2 years and get all your options on a used one for $58K. Problem solved.

 

who discredited the M3's numbers?

And we find it laughable that you tell us to go drive the M when you couldn't drive it because you aren't 30. LOL I'm not 30 either, so I guess I can't take your "advice".