Car and Bike Talk Discussions and comparisons of cars and motorcycles of all makes and models.

It's fast

Thread Tools
 
Old Nov 6, 2015 | 01:34 PM
  #41  
Zygrene's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 490
Likes: 5
Default

Impressive, but the 918 is probably 10x as comfortable to live with on a daily basis. The Viper will break your brack.
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2015 | 03:27 PM
  #42  
ealand0001's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 703
Likes: 24
Default

Originally Posted by Zygrene
Impressive, but the 918 is probably 10x as comfortable to live with on a daily basis. The Viper will break your brack.
I'm sure it is. Also, costs like 8X. The acr can be made more comfortable. The tractive suspension setup already seems to show some serious improvements there. The big issue is how low it is. If it tried to drive that through SF it would probably be in pieces by the time I got to the other side. I've tried it with mine....not my favorite thing.
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2015 | 04:10 PM
  #43  
Mr.E.G.'s Avatar
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 6,281
Likes: 119
Default

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower
Most production street/sports cars don't have aero to this level. Even GT3RS 4.0 and 991 GT3RS don't and those are about the most hardcore mass production sports cars out there that compete with Viper. I bet the lap times are faster in this new car than the previous gen ACR-X race car and certainly the couple gen old Competition coupe. Besides safety items (cage, harness, fire system) you could strip this car and go W2W racing.
The comp coupe was down 100 horsepower or so, but that car had slicks, for crying out loud. It also had a considerable aero package, weighed less than 3,000 lbs, had a stiffer chassis, etc. The comp coupe was more built than the ACR-X. Horsepower being roughly equal, the comp coupe would mop the floor with the new ACR.
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2015 | 04:48 PM
  #44  
s2000Junky's Avatar
Community Organizer
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 31,070
Likes: 566
Default

Originally Posted by rnye
Originally Posted by rwheelz' timestamp='1446666995' post='23795036
Yep a new Z06 with Z07 package comes with Cup2 tires. Can't imagine how often those would have to be replaced. What tires does the new ACR come with?
Right from the article

Tire, chassis combo keeps Viper ACR glued to the roadThe 2016 Dodge Viper ACR is fitted with Kumho® Ecsta V720 high-performance tires designed specifically for the car with unique tread pattern and compounds for front and rear. In testing, the new tires produce lap times that are 1.5 seconds faster than off-road-only race tires.

Interesting and a little confusing. So these Kumho V720 are the long awaited replacement for the extreme summer compound XS --which i run elusively due to the available wide sizing. But in the case of the Viper, these are a different compound with the same name? If so, why bother as thats misleading and confusing. Or is it simply the same v720 any of us can acquire? I know the tech of the current extremes are really getting advanced. But the V720 is supposed to be in the extreme summer category competing with the usual suspects we like to run on our s2k.
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2015 | 05:51 PM
  #45  
Billj747's Avatar
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,683
Likes: 25
From: SoFlo
Default

Probably bespoke for the Viper.
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2015 | 07:28 PM
  #46  
SkiLLeDS2000's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,066
Likes: 11
From: Prince William County, VA
Default

Concerning comfort and gen V Vipers... My wife and I drove our 2015 SRT Viper 750 miles in 2 days and we survived just fine. While it's not the ACR setup, I'm pretty sure it's not as rough as most people think. I wish people had some experience with Vipers before chirping about some head scratching things I read about the car I own. The interior is F'in top notch for a supposed animal beast that's called a sledgehammer. It's super spacious, has plenty of leg room, and the clutch is very manageable. Even in traffic, I keep it in 2nd and I'm good to go from 8 mph to 45 mph.

I love my Viper, but I love the ACR more. In 2017, we will pick one up. It's too good of a car not to buy at the price point. It will be nice to be the king in a couple of years. NSX.... An afterthought after this car and I can still work on the Viper, unlike the complicated NSX.
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2015 | 08:00 PM
  #47  
juntsky's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,587
Likes: 2
Default

i didnt read all of what Mr.EG said, but i'm gonna go ahead and support more racecar than streetcar. Having seen the ACR and the GTD vipers, the ACR was more of everything and the only thing that would make it a "street car" over a racecar is the fact that it has a full interior. Ok, it probably doesn't fit into any specific category of racecar, but that doesn't take away the fact that the ACR has more absurd aero, power, etc than probably 99% of cars out today.
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2015 | 08:54 PM
  #48  
rob-2's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 8,655
Likes: 171
Default

Originally Posted by SkiLLeDS2000
Concerning comfort and gen V Vipers... My wife and I drove our 2015 SRT Viper 750 miles and 2 days and we survived just fine. While it's not the ACR setup, I'm pretty sure it's not as rough as most people think. I wish people had some experience with Vipers before chirping about some head scratching things I read about the car I own. The interior is F'in top notch for a supposed animal beast that's supposedly called a sledgehammer. It's super spacious, has plenty of leg room, and the clutch is very manageable. Even in traffic, I keep it in 2nd and I'm good to go from 8 mph to 45 mph.

I love my Viper, but I love the ACR more. In 2017, we will pick one up. It's too good of a car not to buy at the price point. It will be nice to be the king in a couple of years. NSX.... An afterthought after this car and I can still work on it, unlike the complicated NSX.
Spot on. It's the ignorant online car opinions and now they are talking about the acr like any of them have driven one.

For everyone else..
It's not a race car folks, anyone who thinks a production car that meets crash safety standards and has leather is a race car... Um well you're a fool.
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2015 | 09:00 PM
  #49  
rob-2's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 8,655
Likes: 171
Default

Originally Posted by juntsky
i didnt read all of what Mr.EG said, but i'm gonna go ahead and support more racecar than streetcar. Having seen the ACR and the GTD vipers, the ACR was more of everything and the only thing that would make it a "street car" over a racecar is the fact that it has a full interior. Ok, it probably doesn't fit into any specific category of racecar, but that doesn't take away the fact that the ACR has more absurd aero, power, etc than probably 99% of cars out today.
It has the same motor dude. It also has less power then a tesla p85d. The tesla has insane mode, that make it a race car? It has less power then a host of cars that are not race cars.

A race car is a gutted car, track only use and will not pass safety/inspection testing for the streets. It is never a production car - as in its not made for sale in scale. A race car may have the bones of a production car. See the diff?

The acr is the viper with aero, carbon brakes and stiffer suspension. That's basically it. It's not a gutted interior with roll cage. It's not missing cats/mufflers. It's not missing air bags and other crash gear required:

The entire debate shows the lack of knowledge of this group.
Reply
Old Nov 6, 2015 | 09:14 PM
  #50  
SkiLLeDS2000's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,066
Likes: 11
From: Prince William County, VA
Default

A race car is my S2000 that I'm gutting the interior on. I'm also installing a full roll bar setup with racing seats with super stiff coil overs that will make the drive down to the dragon pretty uncomfortable. I know someone that has a track S2. It's so track that he had to buy another S2 so he could cruise around and be comftorable. My Viper is no way in hell more race car than streetracecar. That's just pure silliness.

At the end of the day they're fanboys that can't see past their own fanboyness.

I said to myself, I would never own a dodge product 10 years ago. Well, Dodge changed and now it's a badass company. I gave them a chance with the Viper and I'm so happy I did. I never understood why people loved Porsche. We test drove a Cayenne and I was blown away at how well the car is built. I'm now a P-car fan. Did I mention I also own a Chevy truck? My point being, every car company has shining stars, embrace them. Some are doing better than others. Don't be stuck on what you read. Go out and test drive or look at the car for yourself. You would be suprised on what's out there.
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:06 PM.