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Maybe your logic is flawed? I owned a RR out of warranty and wasn't so bad. One of the cars posted had very good service history and IMS replaced. They didn't get to those mileages from being dogs.
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Probably, but there's a population of statistical occurrences where i'm not... I'm not looking at anecdotal occurrences that constitute single occurrences on the whole population of probabilities.
i remember you posting that. at 22k that's a steal. I would definitely do that for 22k.
reference thread for OP.
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/car-talk...ement-1161482/
reference thread for OP.
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/car-talk...ement-1161482/
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Probably, but there's a population of statistical occurrences where i'm not... I'm not looking at anecdotal occurrences that constitute single occurrences on the whole population of probabilities.
i remember you posting that. at 22k that's a steal. I would definitely do that for 22k.
reference thread for OP.
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/car-talk...ement-1161482/
i remember you posting that. at 22k that's a steal. I would definitely do that for 22k.
reference thread for OP.
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/car-talk...ement-1161482/
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I had an Evo8 for about three years. My cousin still has a X. I make fun of him all the time. It's not that it's a bad car or anything. It's just not an Evo. I don't care what badge they put on there. The Evo6 is often considered the peak in the Lancer Evolution line. From there on, they gradually got softer and more pedestrian which culminated in the "upscale" X. 
You can really feel the difference. The Evo8/9's interior really feel like bargain bin econoboxes. They squeak, rattle and it just feels cheap. But you forgive all that once you start driving the car hard. The Evo is by far the easiest car I have ever driven. Everything comes together - the ABS, AWD, AYC and ACD system - and just makes you faster. This can be a good thing or bad thing depending on how you look at it. I equate it to a smaller, more nimble GTR. There's just so much electronic wizardry going on, yet it blends it into the driving experience so well that you can't even tell. It's a hero maker.
The 4g63 can rev out to 8000rpm with a simple reflash but its outside of the stock 16g efficiency range at that point. If you're going into that range often, its usually recommended to upgrade the valvetrain. The 4B11 can also get up into that range and typically produces more power under the curve than the 4G63 but the two platforms are so completely different in how they drive that the X doesn't feel faster.
The X has all the same systems as the Evo8/9 except for the engine but the chassis is so much more isolated and dampened. Yes, the interior is improved upon the Evo8/9 but its not that much more better that it's like, "yeah, well worth the move from bare bones rally car to 'upscale' car". And while, I'll admit the X's engine and chassis are capable, they do not inspire like the Evo8/9. Instead you'll be happy just putzing along with the occasional run to redline. My lasting impression was that it felt big and sedate. NOT an Evo.
Don't get made fun of. Shop a STI instead or get a Evo8/9. If you get a X, be prepared to get snickers from real Evo owners.
You can really feel the difference. The Evo8/9's interior really feel like bargain bin econoboxes. They squeak, rattle and it just feels cheap. But you forgive all that once you start driving the car hard. The Evo is by far the easiest car I have ever driven. Everything comes together - the ABS, AWD, AYC and ACD system - and just makes you faster. This can be a good thing or bad thing depending on how you look at it. I equate it to a smaller, more nimble GTR. There's just so much electronic wizardry going on, yet it blends it into the driving experience so well that you can't even tell. It's a hero maker.
The 4g63 can rev out to 8000rpm with a simple reflash but its outside of the stock 16g efficiency range at that point. If you're going into that range often, its usually recommended to upgrade the valvetrain. The 4B11 can also get up into that range and typically produces more power under the curve than the 4G63 but the two platforms are so completely different in how they drive that the X doesn't feel faster.
The X has all the same systems as the Evo8/9 except for the engine but the chassis is so much more isolated and dampened. Yes, the interior is improved upon the Evo8/9 but its not that much more better that it's like, "yeah, well worth the move from bare bones rally car to 'upscale' car". And while, I'll admit the X's engine and chassis are capable, they do not inspire like the Evo8/9. Instead you'll be happy just putzing along with the occasional run to redline. My lasting impression was that it felt big and sedate. NOT an Evo.
Don't get made fun of. Shop a STI instead or get a Evo8/9. If you get a X, be prepared to get snickers from real Evo owners.
We (as in our USDM Evo 8/9) have ACD for the 2005 and 2006, but not the 2003 and 2004.
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Forums usually repeat the worst case scenarios. Not so many thread on any car "car is running fine, no issues". Every car looks like a lemon online. If a 996 has 100k+ miles it wasn't from it being a dog.
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https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...th-issues.html
hard pass for me...
M96/(M97) known modes of failure
1. Oil starvation and damage due to snapped oil pump drive key
2. D-chunk failure (LN Engineering)
3. Broken crankshaft (sometimes due to lightweight flywheel) (Renntech, Flat6)
4. Rod bolt failure
5. Timing/cam chain stretching/link breakage (Renntech )
6. Intermediate shaft bearing wear/failure
7. Oil starvation due to pickup tube blockage
8. Oil starvation due to extended high-G turns ("sweepers") (LN Engineering)
9. Head cracks due to ingested water pump impeller vanes (, Hoffman Machine
10. Head cracks due to other issues (casting issues, etc.) (Hoffman Machine )
11. Hydrolock(?) resulting from failed AOS (Mike Focke) (Note: No link for an actual hydrolock case found yet.)
12. IMS sprocket separating from IMS
13. Debris from worn chain tensioners
14. Cylinder scoring/ovaling
15. Slipped sleeve (cylinder liner)
16. Intermix (AOS, oil cooler, engine case porosity)
17. Chain tensioner paddle wear/failure (debris-related or timing-related)
Please note that items that may be maintenance issues, but are either not a cause for failure or are the result of a failure, may not be listed. For example, RMS issues cause oil leaks, not engine failure.
1. Oil starvation and damage due to snapped oil pump drive key
2. D-chunk failure (LN Engineering)
3. Broken crankshaft (sometimes due to lightweight flywheel) (Renntech, Flat6)
4. Rod bolt failure
5. Timing/cam chain stretching/link breakage (Renntech )
6. Intermediate shaft bearing wear/failure
7. Oil starvation due to pickup tube blockage
8. Oil starvation due to extended high-G turns ("sweepers") (LN Engineering)
9. Head cracks due to ingested water pump impeller vanes (, Hoffman Machine
10. Head cracks due to other issues (casting issues, etc.) (Hoffman Machine )
11. Hydrolock(?) resulting from failed AOS (Mike Focke) (Note: No link for an actual hydrolock case found yet.)
12. IMS sprocket separating from IMS
13. Debris from worn chain tensioners
14. Cylinder scoring/ovaling
15. Slipped sleeve (cylinder liner)
16. Intermix (AOS, oil cooler, engine case porosity)
17. Chain tensioner paddle wear/failure (debris-related or timing-related)
Please note that items that may be maintenance issues, but are either not a cause for failure or are the result of a failure, may not be listed. For example, RMS issues cause oil leaks, not engine failure.
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I get the whole forums blow stuff out of proportion thing, but just because it doesnt happen to the majority of people doesnt mean that theres a significant increase of probability that itll happen to you.
For instance, most s2000 owners I know drive and beat on their cars with relatively good reliability, but I've met people and experiences bent valve guides on an ap1. But overall they're stout. Same with vettes, pony cars in general, etc etc.
Almost every performance bmw owner and porsche owner I know had some sort of issue. Wasn't enough to deter them, but most of them sold them after the warranty expired. They always have a reason to sell it...