New rule: car buyers to be told about black boxes
08-21-2006, 01:51 PM
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Well, the blackbox has screwed many M3 e46 owners already with blew engines. BMW blamed it on users overrevving when everyone claimed that is not true.
The funny thing was that BMW saw the blackbox was blaming the SMG tranny overreving too. BMW had to eat up the replacement cost because the SMG tranny was supposed to make that impossible.
I don't want someone's buggy code to tell me that I was at fault when the manufacturer was at fault.
The funny thing was that BMW saw the blackbox was blaming the SMG tranny overreving too. BMW had to eat up the replacement cost because the SMG tranny was supposed to make that impossible.
I don't want someone's buggy code to tell me that I was at fault when the manufacturer was at fault.
08-21-2006, 02:16 PM
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If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. Assuming the system was functioning correctly and the data being interpreted by the book. What potentially sucks is either the insurance co. or the mfgr. deciding to put you at fault even though the data absolves you outright or was incorrectly unravled.
08-21-2006, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by umop-apisdn,Aug 21 2006, 06:16 PM
If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. Assuming the system was functioning correctly and the data being interpreted by the book. What potentially sucks is either the insurance co. or the mfgr. deciding to put you at fault even though the data absolves you outright or was incorrectly unravled.
08-21-2006, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris Stack
What is "data interpreted by the book?"
Originally Posted by Chris Stack
Suppose a kid runs out in front of me, and I know I don't have room to brake, so I try to accelerate around him and hit him?
[QUOTE=Chris Stack]Or I don't see him so the black box shows me not braking at all?
08-21-2006, 03:48 PM
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If you are a safe driver, you have nothing to worry about right? Thats what they will say. I've heard that said about wire tapping. If you arnt a terrorist, what are you worried about right?
But if you are the one T-boned at an intersection, you would want their black box, they will say that to.
It doesnt matter, all the cameras they will have up every 100 feet will capture it any ways
But if you are the one T-boned at an intersection, you would want their black box, they will say that to.
It doesnt matter, all the cameras they will have up every 100 feet will capture it any ways
08-21-2006, 04:04 PM
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let's be honest. There is not a single case where having a data recorder in a car will save the world. The only possible use is to provide evidence against someone. When that someone is YOU, you will hate the idea, and wonder how so many people could think "it's no big deal."
Accidents aren't mysteries. If a guy hits another car going well in excess of the speed limit, you don't need an "event data recorder" to make that discovery. The only thing this is good for is lazy prosecutors and holier-than-thou police state advocates.
Accidents aren't mysteries. If a guy hits another car going well in excess of the speed limit, you don't need an "event data recorder" to make that discovery. The only thing this is good for is lazy prosecutors and holier-than-thou police state advocates.
08-21-2006, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by no_really,Aug 21 2006, 04:04 PM
let's be honest. There is not a single case where having a data recorder in a car will save the world. The only possible use is to provide evidence against someone. When that someone is YOU, you will hate the idea, and wonder how so many people could think "it's no big deal."
Accidents aren't mysteries. If a guy hits another car going well in excess of the speed limit, you don't need an "event data recorder" to make that discovery. The only thing this is good for is lazy prosecutors and holier-than-thou police state advocates.
Accidents aren't mysteries. If a guy hits another car going well in excess of the speed limit, you don't need an "event data recorder" to make that discovery. The only thing this is good for is lazy prosecutors and holier-than-thou police state advocates.
Whatever, that was just a bad hypothetical and these boxes probably don't even have the time. The point is there are hundreds of positives to this device if it is done right. Sure if done wrong or halfassed (which it will be) there will be some mistakes, but that's why (like someone else said; me) that it would be used along with other evidence. Don't dismiss something because one person would be wronged out of thousands.
It might not "save the world", but I don't think it would be as detrimental as you make it sound.
08-21-2006, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by umop-apisdn,Aug 21 2006, 06:59 PM
I mean whoever or whatever looks at the data after the accident accomplishes so in a professional, unpartial manner.
I'm sure that any respectable black box system would incorporate yaw, steering wheel, and many other sensors to help make the data as clear as possible.
[QUOTE]This new technology (for cars anyway) isn't meant to replace a good claim adjuster or police officer, only aid.
08-21-2006, 07:36 PM
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Retrieving the data should require a search warrant if used in a criminal case...just as a warrant would be required to retrieve data from your PC or file cabinet, etc.
Any other purpose should require your permission or a civil discovery subpoena. Sorry...but if your black box shows you were speeding and it was the primary contributor to an accident, then why shouldn't you be held accountable?
Any other purpose should require your permission or a civil discovery subpoena. Sorry...but if your black box shows you were speeding and it was the primary contributor to an accident, then why shouldn't you be held accountable?