radar jammer's
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"Laser Scramblers work by using red LED's on the back and front of the car. When the laser bounces off the car, the gun recieves it...but the radar gun would also recieve the LED's, so it gets multiple responses and the time is undetermined"
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My understanding is that, in fact, some of the radar jammers do actually work. However, I also understand that they are illegal in many states and the rest are working on it.
BUT - radar jammers are not even in the ball park w/ Laser jammers. The only thing a laser jammer does is send out light. While I do hve a laser jammer, it is not yet installed so I don't really know if it works or not. I'm told by owners that it does, but I'll have to wait and see.
The installation part is going to be a real trick, because in KY we don't use a front license plate - the target for the cop w/ a laser. I'm told that they target our headlights w/ their lasers, so that means that the laser jammer needs to be as close to the headlight as possible. Which one? I'm guessing the right one (as viewed from driver's seat), since the cop is likely to be on that side of the road (at least here in US).
It is my understanding that no state yet has outlawed a laser jammer.
What is important in real life - regardless of state law, is the reaction of the cop. If he thinks that you've screwed w/ him, whether by radar OR laser jammer, he's gonna take it out on you. The amount of raw power available to a cop to really cause you harm is HUGE.
Regardless of the technology, the safer way to do it is to do it in a stealthy manner. No way to guarantee he won't find your jammer gear, but sure is worth a lot of trouble to hide it well.
BUT - radar jammers are not even in the ball park w/ Laser jammers. The only thing a laser jammer does is send out light. While I do hve a laser jammer, it is not yet installed so I don't really know if it works or not. I'm told by owners that it does, but I'll have to wait and see.
The installation part is going to be a real trick, because in KY we don't use a front license plate - the target for the cop w/ a laser. I'm told that they target our headlights w/ their lasers, so that means that the laser jammer needs to be as close to the headlight as possible. Which one? I'm guessing the right one (as viewed from driver's seat), since the cop is likely to be on that side of the road (at least here in US).
It is my understanding that no state yet has outlawed a laser jammer.
What is important in real life - regardless of state law, is the reaction of the cop. If he thinks that you've screwed w/ him, whether by radar OR laser jammer, he's gonna take it out on you. The amount of raw power available to a cop to really cause you harm is HUGE.
Regardless of the technology, the safer way to do it is to do it in a stealthy manner. No way to guarantee he won't find your jammer gear, but sure is worth a lot of trouble to hide it well.
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hiding the jammer is exactly what I would like to do, what about making a fake light housing that emits LED's, like the youngster above mentioned.
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Just an FYI,
You can get a speeding ticket on visual observation alone. Sure it is easier to fight, but it doesn't mean you will be able to win.
Just like you can get a DUI even if the person refuses a breathalyzer. Particularly if the officer is a traffic enforcement specialist, as in that is all they do. Their testimony or notes on the ticket hold more weight.
So even if the jammer does work, you are not invisible. And if you are driving alone, normal radar guns emit an audible tone as well as a visual speed readout. Any scrambling would be detected.
As I said, best to speed in groups. :-)
You can get a speeding ticket on visual observation alone. Sure it is easier to fight, but it doesn't mean you will be able to win.
Just like you can get a DUI even if the person refuses a breathalyzer. Particularly if the officer is a traffic enforcement specialist, as in that is all they do. Their testimony or notes on the ticket hold more weight.
So even if the jammer does work, you are not invisible. And if you are driving alone, normal radar guns emit an audible tone as well as a visual speed readout. Any scrambling would be detected.
As I said, best to speed in groups. :-)
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Texas is different, visual, pacing or any other means besides electronic tracing will not hold in court at all. Leaving one bit of info off the ticket voids the ticket. ie: court date was left off and I was out of the ticket.
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No comment on what the legality of a radar detector/jammer is when using it. Speeding in any state is illegal. If you use one and get caught, they take it. Thats the risk.
Sure, refusing the breathalyzer will still get you a DUI, but that is because waiving the test is an automatic plea of guilty according to the way the statue is written.
Unless the guy paces you for a statue mile, records your speed, observation alone or hearing an audible tone on his gun will not get you a ticket. Physical evidence rules and a print out showing I'm going 360mph will lead towards a claim of him/her using a faulty device and ticket dismissed........from experience. Laser is currently still not a legal device to use in some States. S2k's have been shown to have a low profile of reflection to laser, so that helps (if I could now just get some of that material from a F-17 to put on the front)
If you want specifics on Phantom II's, go here:
http://www.007radardetectors.com/phantom_i...er_detector.htm
Sure, refusing the breathalyzer will still get you a DUI, but that is because waiving the test is an automatic plea of guilty according to the way the statue is written.
Unless the guy paces you for a statue mile, records your speed, observation alone or hearing an audible tone on his gun will not get you a ticket. Physical evidence rules and a print out showing I'm going 360mph will lead towards a claim of him/her using a faulty device and ticket dismissed........from experience. Laser is currently still not a legal device to use in some States. S2k's have been shown to have a low profile of reflection to laser, so that helps (if I could now just get some of that material from a F-17 to put on the front)
If you want specifics on Phantom II's, go here:
http://www.007radardetectors.com/phantom_i...er_detector.htm
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The audible tone, is not for identifying speed, but it is for obtaining a lock.
If you are a lone car on the road and get hit with band radar. The gun is going to read various speeds. Instead of getting a solid "tone" the gun is going to emit a warble. Guess what, they know you have a jammer. Thats reason for a stop and search.
Refusing a breathalyzer is not an automatic DUI, but that is a different issue. What I'm saying is visual observation is all it takes. If your in traffic and the officer notes, for example, that there are 4 cars, moving with flow of traffic, and he can observe you moving considerably faster than the rest of traffic (ie 10mph or above faster) you can get a ticket. If he puts no notes, he might as well just have let you go, but if he explains in details on what he observed, you can get a speeding ticket. Reasonable and prudent or speed in conditions. It is not listed as a mph, but is generic $65 ticket (at least here in Washington). If the officer makes detailed notes, these types of tickets do hold in court.
At least the phantom has a ticket rebate, but the cost of the ticket doesn't concern me as much as my driving record.
The jammer may work, but at least for me, I'd rather invest the money in a valentine one and hope the fellow in front of me sets it off. I've heard radar absorbing bras and deflective type license frames can "reduce" the distance that they can get a read on you and this may be a good investment as well.
Not sure if anyone has tried these, but here is a site.
http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/lasphotradsh.html
Actually to me, radar is the lesser of two evils compared to photo tickets. The idea of having a ticket sent to me in the mail is enough to make my head boil.
If you are a lone car on the road and get hit with band radar. The gun is going to read various speeds. Instead of getting a solid "tone" the gun is going to emit a warble. Guess what, they know you have a jammer. Thats reason for a stop and search.
Refusing a breathalyzer is not an automatic DUI, but that is a different issue. What I'm saying is visual observation is all it takes. If your in traffic and the officer notes, for example, that there are 4 cars, moving with flow of traffic, and he can observe you moving considerably faster than the rest of traffic (ie 10mph or above faster) you can get a ticket. If he puts no notes, he might as well just have let you go, but if he explains in details on what he observed, you can get a speeding ticket. Reasonable and prudent or speed in conditions. It is not listed as a mph, but is generic $65 ticket (at least here in Washington). If the officer makes detailed notes, these types of tickets do hold in court.
At least the phantom has a ticket rebate, but the cost of the ticket doesn't concern me as much as my driving record.
The jammer may work, but at least for me, I'd rather invest the money in a valentine one and hope the fellow in front of me sets it off. I've heard radar absorbing bras and deflective type license frames can "reduce" the distance that they can get a read on you and this may be a good investment as well.
Not sure if anyone has tried these, but here is a site.
http://www.sportsimportsltd.com/lasphotradsh.html
Actually to me, radar is the lesser of two evils compared to photo tickets. The idea of having a ticket sent to me in the mail is enough to make my head boil.
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From: Gort356
In the sunny state of california, they really like you to take that breath test. If you dont, you lose big time.
If you were 21 years of older at the time of arrest and you refused or failed to complete a blood or breath test, or (if applicable) a urine test:
A first offense will result in a 1-year suspension, automatically.
A second offense within 7 years will result in a 2-year revocation.
A third or subsequent offense within 7 years will result in a 3-year revocation.
This doesnt include the fines that may be imposed in court. Just as bad as a DUI.
Lone car on the road in Calif.?................I only wish.
If you were 21 years of older at the time of arrest and you refused or failed to complete a blood or breath test, or (if applicable) a urine test:
A first offense will result in a 1-year suspension, automatically.
A second offense within 7 years will result in a 2-year revocation.
A third or subsequent offense within 7 years will result in a 3-year revocation.
This doesnt include the fines that may be imposed in court. Just as bad as a DUI.
Lone car on the road in Calif.?................I only wish.
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Hmmm - will a laser system work after dark? Looks like the target car's headlights might confuse the system. On the other hand, perhaps the color of the reflected light to the system is the key. Anybody know?