Court Appearence
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To be clear, which of the following scenario is it?
106. A broken white line. This marks the centre of the road. When this line lengthens and the gaps shorten, it means that there is a hazard ahead. Do not cross it unless you can see the road is clear well ahead and wish to overtake or turn off.
107. Double white lines where the line nearest to you is broken. This means you may cross the lines to overtake if it is safe, provided you can complete the manoeuvre before reaching a solid white line on your side. White arrows on the road indicate when you need to get back onto your side of the road.
108. Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10mph or less.
109. Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.
106. A broken white line. This marks the centre of the road. When this line lengthens and the gaps shorten, it means that there is a hazard ahead. Do not cross it unless you can see the road is clear well ahead and wish to overtake or turn off.
107. Double white lines where the line nearest to you is broken. This means you may cross the lines to overtake if it is safe, provided you can complete the manoeuvre before reaching a solid white line on your side. White arrows on the road indicate when you need to get back onto your side of the road.
108. Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10mph or less.
109. Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.
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From experience once you have pleaded guilty you are guilty, mitigating circumstances won't change the decision, just the fine/points.
This happened to my daughter some time ago, she had enough mitigating circumstances that she could have probably got off but 'we' decided to plead guilty and then offer the reasons why, it was too late you have admitted the offence.
The magistrates were really good, they recognised our situation and gave her the minimum points and fine (which would normally have been higher partly because she chose to go to court)
HTH
This happened to my daughter some time ago, she had enough mitigating circumstances that she could have probably got off but 'we' decided to plead guilty and then offer the reasons why, it was too late you have admitted the offence.
The magistrates were really good, they recognised our situation and gave her the minimum points and fine (which would normally have been higher partly because she chose to go to court)
HTH
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Originally Posted by Fletch,May 14 2008, 09:44 PM
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Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.
* if the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so
* if the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency
Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.
* if the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so
* if the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency
Thanks for the clarification
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Originally Posted by eSeM,May 15 2008, 06:43 AM
Just be yourself .....
On second thoughts maybe not.
On second thoughts maybe not.
Actually good advice. I'm going to prepare a statement, instead of off the cuff, for consitency I think.
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is say plead guilty, but put forward why it's not so much a black&white situation.
you've been driving xx years, no bans, points or what-have-ya, and on this unique occasion the manouver's situation changed. i'd highlight the fact you know what double whites are for, you had no intention to cross them, but as the situation changed you had no option but to cross them for the safety of yours and other drivers. you choose to cross the lines as you could see far enough ahead for it to be safe enough todo so.
i've never had a court hearing, never seen inside a court room, but i'd like to think that people are intelligent enough to see past some of the
and see that you genuinely didnt plan the overtake to happen like this.
hope they let you off lightly, and gl!
you've been driving xx years, no bans, points or what-have-ya, and on this unique occasion the manouver's situation changed. i'd highlight the fact you know what double whites are for, you had no intention to cross them, but as the situation changed you had no option but to cross them for the safety of yours and other drivers. you choose to cross the lines as you could see far enough ahead for it to be safe enough todo so.
i've never had a court hearing, never seen inside a court room, but i'd like to think that people are intelligent enough to see past some of the
and see that you genuinely didnt plan the overtake to happen like this.hope they let you off lightly, and gl!
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Originally Posted by Fletch,May 14 2008, 11:34 PM
The 130 I posted related to BB's situation.
In Hyper's case I believe it was a 108 but the plan was to be back on the left of the lines before he got to them.
In Hyper's case I believe it was a 108 but the plan was to be back on the left of the lines before he got to them.
"you must not cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph or less. Note that the rules only concern crossing or straddling the lines, not overtaking. If the road is wide enough, the vehicle you're overtaking is narrow enough, and you can leave enough clearance, you may overtake provided you can see it to be safe. In practice, such a combination of circumstances is rare!
See Highway Code Rule 108."
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Originally Posted by dreamer,May 14 2008, 09:13 PM
You were quite near a junction though ?
Got a google map link?
Got a google map link?
Plod were at a junction, so by defenition you were approaching a junction. Presumably the junction was signed in advance.
Playing devil's advocate;
Were you aware of the junction?
What would have happened if a car had pulled out into your path from that junction?
Were you relying on the gaps between the traffic remaining there to make a safe overtake?
Google map?
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From: Wakefield, West Yorks.
Originally Posted by Moggy,May 15 2008, 09:07 AM
A particular IaM's view on rule 108...
"you must not cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph or less. Note that the rules only concern crossing or straddling the lines, not overtaking. If the road is wide enough, the vehicle you're overtaking is narrow enough, and you can leave enough clearance, you may overtake provided you can see it to be safe. In practice, such a combination of circumstances is rare!
See Highway Code Rule 108."
"you must not cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph or less. Note that the rules only concern crossing or straddling the lines, not overtaking. If the road is wide enough, the vehicle you're overtaking is narrow enough, and you can leave enough clearance, you may overtake provided you can see it to be safe. In practice, such a combination of circumstances is rare!
See Highway Code Rule 108."
The white lines don't mean no overtaking. You are allowed to overtake as much as you like providing you don't actually cross the line
Make more sense when you are talking motorcycles of course