F1 Breakaway
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F1 Breakaway
Well, they seem to be carrying out their threat.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8108488.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport...one/8108488.stm
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I genuinely hope they go through with this.
imo the poisened dwarf and his nazi bum chum are killing the sport in favour of profit; The threat of scrapping the British GP, the true home of F1 and motorsport in general, as Ecclestone has done, says it all to me, his motives undoubtably being profit centric and sod the sport and heritage.
Time for change; those two fools have milked our beloved sport for long enough and with any luck pressure will mount for Mosely to go (as he should have done anyway during the Nazi bumming party debacle)
imo the poisened dwarf and his nazi bum chum are killing the sport in favour of profit; The threat of scrapping the British GP, the true home of F1 and motorsport in general, as Ecclestone has done, says it all to me, his motives undoubtably being profit centric and sod the sport and heritage.
Time for change; those two fools have milked our beloved sport for long enough and with any luck pressure will mount for Mosely to go (as he should have done anyway during the Nazi bumming party debacle)
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Do you think they have enough of Mosley and this is a major contributing factor.
There was an interview with BrawnGP this morning (but recorded from yesterday) onn the radio, Brawn were playing down their part, claiming they were acting as mediators?
There was an interview with BrawnGP this morning (but recorded from yesterday) onn the radio, Brawn were playing down their part, claiming they were acting as mediators?
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Originally Posted by Moggy,Jun 19 2009, 07:16 AM
Do you think they have enough of Mosley and this is a major contributing factor.
This could be good news for Rosberg as he'd then be the favourite to win the title in 2010. Not that it would mean a lot.
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Originally Posted by OldDogmeat,Jun 19 2009, 07:14 AM
I genuinely hope they go through with this.
imo the poisened dwarf and his nazi bum chum are killing the sport in favour of profit; The threat of scrapping the British GP, the true home of F1 and motorsport in general, as Ecclestone has done, says it all to me, his motives undoubtably being profit centric and sod the sport and heritage.
Time for change; those two fools have milked our beloved sport for long enough and with any luck pressure will mount for Mosely to go (as he should have done anyway during the Nazi bumming party debacle)
imo the poisened dwarf and his nazi bum chum are killing the sport in favour of profit; The threat of scrapping the British GP, the true home of F1 and motorsport in general, as Ecclestone has done, says it all to me, his motives undoubtably being profit centric and sod the sport and heritage.
Time for change; those two fools have milked our beloved sport for long enough and with any luck pressure will mount for Mosely to go (as he should have done anyway during the Nazi bumming party debacle)
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Some fair points above but I cant see this new series getting off the ground.
If the FOTA teams leave then it will basically be a manufacturers championship and I struggle to see why any other teams would want to join that series. No small budget independants are going to want to sign up and the way the auto industry is at the moment no manufacturers will either. A grid of 16 (8 teams currently) is not a viable grid either, although teams could run a 3rd car i guess.
The F1 series next year (Williams, Force India and 3 new teams) again isnt a viable grid with 10 cars.
If they do go their separate ways then it will be similar to the CART/Indycar nonsense in the states that went on for years.
Personally I would like to see a proper 2 tier championship with the grid split between 2 races. Teams could run 3 cars each and then they also let all the new teams in plus Prodrive/Lola and anyone else. We could end up with 40 odd cars or more and then have qualifying with the fastest 20 in one race and then a runner up race. Both televised and it would be awesome.
Bring back F1 as it was at Silverstone 1989 - pit lane walkabouts for a tenner, you could stand on the start/finish straight before the racing started and there were 39 (if i remember correctly) cars trying to qualify for 26 places on the grid. Good times.
http://f1-facts.com/results/race/1989/55
If the FOTA teams leave then it will basically be a manufacturers championship and I struggle to see why any other teams would want to join that series. No small budget independants are going to want to sign up and the way the auto industry is at the moment no manufacturers will either. A grid of 16 (8 teams currently) is not a viable grid either, although teams could run a 3rd car i guess.
The F1 series next year (Williams, Force India and 3 new teams) again isnt a viable grid with 10 cars.
If they do go their separate ways then it will be similar to the CART/Indycar nonsense in the states that went on for years.
Personally I would like to see a proper 2 tier championship with the grid split between 2 races. Teams could run 3 cars each and then they also let all the new teams in plus Prodrive/Lola and anyone else. We could end up with 40 odd cars or more and then have qualifying with the fastest 20 in one race and then a runner up race. Both televised and it would be awesome.
Bring back F1 as it was at Silverstone 1989 - pit lane walkabouts for a tenner, you could stand on the start/finish straight before the racing started and there were 39 (if i remember correctly) cars trying to qualify for 26 places on the grid. Good times.
http://f1-facts.com/results/race/1989/55
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Assuming it did go ahead, then F1 would be Williams, Force India, and a bunch of junior teams and junior drivers with no experience at that level.
There's all sorts of contracts with broadcasters and events based on F1 being more or less as it is, so imagine there'd be a whole load of legal wrangling with people trying to get out of their contracts. For one, the BBC are contracted to show F1, but are they going to want to if it's F1 without all the major names. And where does it leave Donington, investing lots of money to get F1 - expect the backers to try to pull out.
The breakaway with all the major names could be quite good, but can they really set up a championship run by the teams without them all falling out? I wouldn't put money on it.
And with new TV rights, it might well end up on Sky (or whoever else is prepared to pay the most).
There's all sorts of contracts with broadcasters and events based on F1 being more or less as it is, so imagine there'd be a whole load of legal wrangling with people trying to get out of their contracts. For one, the BBC are contracted to show F1, but are they going to want to if it's F1 without all the major names. And where does it leave Donington, investing lots of money to get F1 - expect the backers to try to pull out.
The breakaway with all the major names could be quite good, but can they really set up a championship run by the teams without them all falling out? I wouldn't put money on it.
And with new TV rights, it might well end up on Sky (or whoever else is prepared to pay the most).
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Originally Posted by OldDogmeat,Jun 19 2009, 07:14 AM
I genuinely hope they go through with this.
imo the poisened dwarf and his nazi bum chum are killing the sport in favour of profit; The threat of scrapping the British GP, the true home of F1 and motorsport in general, as Ecclestone has done, says it all to me, his motives undoubtably being profit centric and sod the sport and heritage.
Time for change; those two fools have milked our beloved sport for long enough and with any luck pressure will mount for Mosely to go (as he should have done anyway during the Nazi bumming party debacle)
imo the poisened dwarf and his nazi bum chum are killing the sport in favour of profit; The threat of scrapping the British GP, the true home of F1 and motorsport in general, as Ecclestone has done, says it all to me, his motives undoubtably being profit centric and sod the sport and heritage.
Time for change; those two fools have milked our beloved sport for long enough and with any luck pressure will mount for Mosely to go (as he should have done anyway during the Nazi bumming party debacle)
I have my doubts. Especially as they publicly state their disinterest at abandoning (what Max himself calls) the "Financial arms race".
The fact is, the teams are saying that they want to continue to be able to spend as much as possible to develop the cars, which means they (and their sponsors) will want as high as possible a return on their investment (they don't do it for the sport unfortunately), if you think it's bad now, wait until FOTA get their heads together and try and run a series by committee.
Top flight motorsport will never return to the days of one-man outfits on industrial estates funded by rich benefactors - too much expensive technology is now necessary and the only way to raise money is through sponsors. And sponsors require a return on their investment so they begin to demand certain things and the whole idea of driver vs driver gets lost in the corporate mix. Over the years it's become worse until we've arrived at what we have today - a big-business corporate hospitality jamboree, with the biggest sponsor going to the team that gets most exposure - high stakes and too much to risk by allowing the drivers to battle for themselves on track without as much technology under them as is possible within the rules, which costs money, and so the wheel revolves......
So we're stuck with something close to what we have. Sponsors and backers with too much say for it to be a true sporting event, teams which need to spend ever more to make sure they attract the sponsors.
I hope I'm wrong, and heaven knows I criticise F1 enough for it's complete lack of sporting spirit, but I can't help thinking better the devil you know......