F1 Breakaway
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One other thing, where would the F1 teams get their engines from?
Currently, both Williams and Force India use engines from "breakaway" manufacturers.
A1GP uses Ferrari engines so no parallel there.
Would everyone be using Cosworths. Or perhaps Honda could supply them as they do for the US Cart series, or whatever it's called nowadays?
Currently, both Williams and Force India use engines from "breakaway" manufacturers.
A1GP uses Ferrari engines so no parallel there.
Would everyone be using Cosworths. Or perhaps Honda could supply them as they do for the US Cart series, or whatever it's called nowadays?
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Originally Posted by lovegroova,Jun 19 2009, 01:21 PM
One other thing, where would the F1 teams get their engines from?
FIA statement soon.
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Originally Posted by MarkB,Jun 19 2009, 09:25 AM
The sport has been killed by money, but do you think that a breakaway championship, formed by the big players of F1 will be about racing?
I have my doubts. Especially as they publicly state their disinterest at abandoning (what Max himself calls) the "Financial arms race".
The fact is, the teams are saying that they want to continue to be able to spend as much as possible to develop the cars, which means they (and their sponsors) will want as high as possible a return on their investment (they don't do it for the sport unfortunately), if you think it's bad now, wait until FOTA get their heads together and try and run a series by committee.
Top flight motorsport will never return to the days of one-man outfits on industrial estates funded by rich benefactors - too much expensive technology is now necessary and the only way to raise money is through sponsors. And sponsors require a return on their investment so they begin to demand certain things and the whole idea of driver vs driver gets lost in the corporate mix. Over the years it's become worse until we've arrived at what we have today - a big-business corporate hospitality jamboree, with the biggest sponsor going to the team that gets most exposure - high stakes and too much to risk by allowing the drivers to battle for themselves on track without as much technology under them as is possible within the rules, which costs money, and so the wheel revolves......
So we're stuck with something close to what we have. Sponsors and backers with too much say for it to be a true sporting event, teams which need to spend ever more to make sure they attract the sponsors.
I hope I'm wrong, and heaven knows I criticise F1 enough for it's complete lack of sporting spirit, but I can't help thinking better the devil you know......
I have my doubts. Especially as they publicly state their disinterest at abandoning (what Max himself calls) the "Financial arms race".
The fact is, the teams are saying that they want to continue to be able to spend as much as possible to develop the cars, which means they (and their sponsors) will want as high as possible a return on their investment (they don't do it for the sport unfortunately), if you think it's bad now, wait until FOTA get their heads together and try and run a series by committee.
Top flight motorsport will never return to the days of one-man outfits on industrial estates funded by rich benefactors - too much expensive technology is now necessary and the only way to raise money is through sponsors. And sponsors require a return on their investment so they begin to demand certain things and the whole idea of driver vs driver gets lost in the corporate mix. Over the years it's become worse until we've arrived at what we have today - a big-business corporate hospitality jamboree, with the biggest sponsor going to the team that gets most exposure - high stakes and too much to risk by allowing the drivers to battle for themselves on track without as much technology under them as is possible within the rules, which costs money, and so the wheel revolves......
So we're stuck with something close to what we have. Sponsors and backers with too much say for it to be a true sporting event, teams which need to spend ever more to make sure they attract the sponsors.
I hope I'm wrong, and heaven knows I criticise F1 enough for it's complete lack of sporting spirit, but I can't help thinking better the devil you know......
I suppose the truth is that we all only watch F1 for the entertainment factor, in the knowledge that it's all a charade anyway.
..and fair point also from Dembo about most other televised MoSport.
It's a real bloody shame that anything at the professional level has to be like this but as you've pointed out, it's at the professional level.. and there's other peoples money at stake.
Club racing's where it's at; Watch the BTCC at the weekend and revel in the madness that is Ginetta Junior or Clio's
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Originally Posted by Moggy,Jun 19 2009, 02:17 PM
Yes, that is what I have been told.
Reputational risk to any manufacturer is huge and the potential for loss is enormous compared to any backhander they would receive. As I said most of the places cars race they will have never been tested there by the manufacturer so im not sure how this would be possible anyway.
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76316
Motorsport's ruling body, the FIA, has announced it will be launching legal action against the Formula 1 teams trying to set up a breakaway championship.
"The actions of FOTA as a whole, and Ferrari in particular, amount to serious violations of law including wilful interference with contractual relations, direct breaches of Ferrari's legal obligations and a grave violation of competition law.
"The FIA will be issuing legal proceedings without delay.
"Preparations for the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship continue but publication of the final 2010 entry list will be put on hold while the FIA asserts its legal rights."
"The actions of FOTA as a whole, and Ferrari in particular, amount to serious violations of law including wilful interference with contractual relations, direct breaches of Ferrari's legal obligations and a grave violation of competition law.
"The FIA will be issuing legal proceedings without delay.
"Preparations for the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship continue but publication of the final 2010 entry list will be put on hold while the FIA asserts its legal rights."
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Originally Posted by Dembo,Jun 19 2009, 04:10 PM
Of course, the teams will argue that when they signed up to the FIA agreements they were very different to what is being proposed now; Ferrari's Stefano Domenicali has already stated this in an BBC interview during a recent GP.
Lets face it; If lawsuits are being thrown around then it's all fallen apart now and aint gonna come back together.
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This part is probably the most relevant:
Gives everyone more time to sort it out/get rid of Moseley.
I'll be amazed if there is a breakaway championship next year.
publication of the final 2010 entry list will be put on hold while the FIA asserts its legal rights
I'll be amazed if there is a breakaway championship next year.