Hoping next year that Ferrari and McLaren wipe the floor with Red Bull. They are getting far to big for their boots and very cocky with it. We need some closer racing next year with multiple drivers trying to win the championship. This year was one bloke in the quickest car getting pole and winning it from there. The second he got put under any real pressure he caves.

No reason for Lewis to get a penalty. He was in front, and Massa drove into him trying to go round the outside Last person who tried that was Schumacher during qualifying and he ended up bouncing across the chicane. Massa really needs to be shown the door by Ferrari. He's awful.

What Vettel did at the start was needlessly stupid. Hardly the actions of a World Champion, more like a World Chump. He only needs 1 single point to claim the championship and he risks it all by pushing someone else onto the grass at 140+. I wonder what he'd have said if they collided and he got taken out and JB carried on to win the race. What makes it doubly worse is the fact he was quick to moan about Alonso pushing him onto the grass at Monza. No excuse Mr Vettel, and zero sympathy when it happens to you.


With regards to McLaren cheating, it's clear the FIA thought they'd teach Ron Dennis and McLaren a lesson by making an example of them. What a surprise the "victim" was Ferrari. Think you'll find every single team in the paddock could be found guilty of it on some level, so why only fine one team??? Can't wait for Ron Dennis to release a book about his times in F1. Now that will be wroth reading.

 

I don't know when Christian or Adrian have ever looked cocky over the last few years.
You seem to miss the point of F1, it is to make the quickest car and win. With Ferrari and Mclarens infrastructure you would of thought they would of been able to go up against a privateer team.

 

I'm not sure that RBR can really be classed as a "small" team - flying front wings out by private jet is hardly the behaviour of a small team.

Now that they are also a supplier of equipment to other teams, they are firmly in the "big league", which should be taken as a compliment.

Given all the whingeing about the team's budget it seems that the spend must be similar to McLaren and Ferrari. (I'm not saying that RBR is cheating on that front, Martin Whitmarsh has confirmed that all is on order, after all, but they must be spending a lot for the accusations to be made in the first place).

 

Well the FIA follow every team very closely with their money so Mclaren must be massively inefficient at what they do if they spend the FIA budget. Maybe they should move into the 21 century and have better production techniques IMO.

 

Well the FIA follow every team very closely with their money so Mclaren must be massively inefficient at what they do if they spend the FIA budget. Maybe they should move into the 21 century and have better production techniques IMO.
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Not what I mean at all. I think RBR are a big team nowadays, this is shown by the performance and the budgeting. To describe yourselves as a small team is not fair. Take it as a compliment

Nowt to do with McLaren and their efficiency or otherwise. They are a privateer as well of course.

 

Well the FIA follow every team very closely with their money so Mclaren must be massively inefficient at what they do if they spend the FIA budget. Maybe they should move into the 21 century and have better production techniques IMO.
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Not what I mean at all. I think RBR are a big team nowadays, this is shown by the performance and the budgeting. To describe yourselves as a small team is not fair.

Nowt to do with McLaren and their efficiency or otherwise. They are a privateer as well of course.
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I didn't actually say we were a small team in my reply, but I know macs have more than 650 odd people that RB have. Ferrari have a whole factory to call on if they really wanted.

I give up trying to fight RB's side here as not being a proper Brit team then everyone is always going to be pulling the place apart.

 

Well the FIA follow every team very closely with their money so Mclaren must be massively inefficient at what they do if they spend the FIA budget. Maybe they should move into the 21 century and have better production techniques IMO.
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Not what I mean at all. I think RBR are a big team nowadays, this is shown by the performance and the budgeting. To describe yourselves as a small team is not fair.

Nowt to do with McLaren and their efficiency or otherwise. They are a privateer as well of course.
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I didn't actually say we were a small team in my reply, but I know macs have more than 650 odd people that RB have. Ferrari have a whole factory to call on if they really wanted.

I give up trying to fight RB's side here as not being a proper Brit team then everyone is always going to be pulling the place apart.
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I have said this before and I will say it again, Adrian Newey and a billionaire owner are the 2 main reasons RBR are where they are.

The Japan race was pretty dull imo.

MB :: To explain why I think JB won't be champion next year (since you ask) is like this. I don't believe he is as fast as Hamilton and Hamilton will be his team mate again next year. Hamilton has made some pretty fundamental and occasionally stupid mistakes this year, and he needs to pull himself out of this 'glitz lifestyle' he is currently attracted by. If he does that before the start of next season, and I think he will, then it won't matter to JB if the car is good enough to win the championship, because if the car is that good then Hamilton will be quicker and imo score more and win more races throughout the season. I think JB is a great driver, and he has a great personality and I HOPE he does prove me wrong and win the championship next year, but I just don't think he will for the reasons above.

RB racing will still probably be the team to beat next year, much as I hate to say it, but given that Newey will still be there, the money will still be there, and Vettel and Webber will still be there, they have to start next year as favourites in my book, 3 times world champion Vettel would be my prediction ... oh how I hope I am proven wrong on that prediction too !

 

Hamilton isn't a better all round driver than Button.

Button is a very clever driver, and raw kamikaze pace doesn't win championships.

 

He is.

and .. yes it does

 

No, it really doesn't

Knowing when to push, or when to back off, knowing how to manage your tyres, fuel, overtake without smashing yours and otehr cars up - combined with raw pace... I don't see too much evidence of that lately.